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Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by zzleeper »

babesh wrote: post #218

This is the very best article I have read on the lockdown: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/04/seattles-leade... The positive is that Washington state acted early and the Bay Area followed quickly which resulted in lower hospitalization and deaths. Tech’s quick move to WFH probably helped slow the spread. This was driven by the Washington state health officials who worked with Microsoft. Bay Area tech compa…

Had the US (at all govt levels) actually treated this seriously, as a health problem and not economic/political problem, we could be in a situation like Taiwan/NZ.

The US is large, but mostly insulated, so this was feasible. But it would have required EVERYONE wearing masks, and no delays in locking things down (one day of delay in an exponential situation is like 4 more days of lockdown at the other end)

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by rjzzleep »

zzleeper wrote: post #221
babesh wrote: post #218

This is the very best article I have read on the lockdown: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/04/seattles-leade... The positive is that Washington state acted early and the Bay Area followed quickly which resulted in lower hospitalization and deaths. Tech’s quick move to WFH probably helped slow the spread. This was driven by the Washington state health officials who worked with Microsoft. Bay Area tech compa…

Had the US (at all govt levels) actually treated this seriously, as a health problem and not economic/political problem, we could be in a situation like Taiwan/NZ. The US is large, but mostly insulated, so this was feasible. But it would have required EVERYONE wearing masks, and no delays in locking things down (one day of delay in an exponential situation is like 4 more days of lockdown at the other end)

What's more is that since Taiwan published their email they sent to the WHO in December about the severeness of the threat and given the fact that the US is basically considered their only real ally, they almost certainly directly warned the US. Of course I doubt that they would ever say that in public given that they don't want to piss off their only big military ally with a vengeful president.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by matz1 »

firasd wrote: post #17

I’d like to know what Tesla factory workers think. It’s seeming clear to me from various polls that at most 20% of Americans think ‘oh everything is fine let’s go back to work and school tomorrow.’ So opinions on social distancing are not as polarized as you would think from the media.

Of course Tesla factory workers would not be excited about it. With or without pandemic, working in factory is not something most people want to do if they have option to stay home.

The factory worker opinion is largely irrelevant, in this context.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by techslave »

louis_pasteur wrote: post #28
centimeter wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most businesses aren't in a position to sue the county. If Tesla sues and wins, those other businesses will benefit as well. I'm not sure what you're objecting to here.

If having the disease spread more widely among populations and more COVID deaths translates as "benefit" to you then yes. Tesla is concerned about only profits but what's profitable for the company may not be for people.

I’m not sure you understand the position we’re in. The intent of all this intervention is to flatten the curve, not to zero, but to keep hospitals at capacity. Thus spreading the disease and causing more deaths, but preventing only those deaths that would have been preventable save lack of hospital capacity.

As a swede said, not eliminating deaths just shifting them in time.

Yes, spreading the disease is a benefit to the population.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by mchusma »

One important point in this discussion is that workers only have to return at their own discretion. Since no worker is being forced to work, the argument is best thought of as whether or not workers who chooses to work should be allowed to do so given Tesla's plan.

They can also stay at home if they prefer, or seek other employment if they want to work but find Tesla's safety plan unconvincing.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

babesh wrote: post #218

This is the very best article I have read on the lockdown: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/04/seattles-leade... The positive is that Washington state acted early and the Bay Area followed quickly which resulted in lower hospitalization and deaths. Tech’s quick move to WFH probably helped slow the spread. This was driven by the Washington state health officials who worked with Microsoft. Bay Area tech compa…

Do you actually disagree with what Constantine is quoted as saying? Do you believe that the "if [they] advised social distancing right away" that it would have been accepted?

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by babesh »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #227
babesh wrote: post #218

This is the very best article I have read on the lockdown: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/04/seattles-leade... The positive is that Washington state acted early and the Bay Area followed quickly which resulted in lower hospitalization and deaths. Tech’s quick move to WFH probably helped slow the spread. This was driven by the Washington state health officials who worked with Microsoft. Bay Area tech compa…

Do you actually disagree with what Constantine is quoted as saying? Do you believe that the "if [they] advised social distancing right away" that it would have been accepted?

I disagree with the manipulation. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I don’t know if it would have been accepted.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by mushbino »

mchusma wrote: post #225

One important point in this discussion is that workers only have to return at their own discretion. Since no worker is being forced to work, the argument is best thought of as whether or not workers who chooses to work should be allowed to do so given Tesla's plan. They can also stay at home if they prefer, or seek other employment if they want to work but find Tesla's safety plan unconvincing.

Will workers still be eligible for unemployment insurance payments if they choose not to go back after Tesla opens?

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by matz1 »

louis_pasteur wrote: post #28
centimeter wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most businesses aren't in a position to sue the county. If Tesla sues and wins, those other businesses will benefit as well. I'm not sure what you're objecting to here.

If having the disease spread more widely among populations and more COVID deaths translates as "benefit" to you then yes. Tesla is concerned about only profits but what's profitable for the company may not be for people.

As a company it is exactly what Tesla should be concerned of. Tesla is not charity.
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