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Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

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As a way to show off the capability of ligatures, more power to them. As an effort to censor, why in the ever loving fuck nuggets would you ever actually do that? I have young kids and a large family. We all curse periodically. Instead of telling the kids that these are bad words, we told them they are adult words. As in, when you are old enough you can curse all you want, but as a kid you can’t. We felt that this wa…

I went the other way with my kids, greatly expanding the scope of curse words.

Words are primarily tools of cognition—that is, they are how we hold concepts and use them to reason about the world. When we use words with other people, we are relying on their reason.

Curse words are bad for human life because they don’t mean anything in most contexts they are used.

“Fuck” can mean sex, but usually it’s emoting a non-specific range of emotions (as in “fuck you” or “infuckingcredible”). Most of its meaning comes from the sound it makes—you might as well bark and purr.

The only time a curse word is acceptable is when understanding the emotional state of the speaker is necessary to understand their words, but the speaker is unable to alter their vocal tone in the required manner. Counter-intuitively, this means that curse words may have a valid use in clarifying the meaning of written text. But this is very rare.

Using this standard, all euphemisms for curse words are equivalent in terms of their damage to human thinking—darnit is just as bad as dammit. The only difference is etiquette and manners; one is considered to be much less rude.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

#122
post #117

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There are at least 3 transliteration systems for Japanese. Writing foreign languages with 26 Latin letters usually loses some nuance and shows some bias towards the pronunciation of the authors' native language.

It has also become a loan word in English, so there's at least a de facto convention of how it is spelled with latin characters in English text. It's not written in kanji when used in English.

A loan word with two different spellings!

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

#124
post #113

It's a cute idea, but it took me all of 5 seconds to find a way to do an end-run around Scunthorpe Sans's fuckcked up censorship. I've never really understood why people think that misspelling "fuck" as "f*ck" suddenly makes is socially acceptable.

I'm not expressing an opinion on the practice, but in case a child who doesn't know the word reads it? I can remember as a child reading a story in a UK tabloid newspaper that quoted (Neil Kinnock, I think) with some asterisks in some of the words, and not fully understanding.

I don't think it would take very long for a child to learn that f_ck and f___ and "the F word" are all alternative spellings of "fuck".

Hm, HN elides asterisks in in-line text. Maybe they still work in code blocks?

  f*ck f***
Yep. Whee, what a fun game.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

#125
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Around middle school, I decided that I would stop using swear words, because it seemed like getting myself in trouble by letting one slip out at an inappropriate time was more of a bother than just avoiding them and coming up with more inventive ways to express myself. Refraining from curse words has been part of my character ever since, and just about everybody who knows me knows that I don't swear. And you know wha…

ESL here. At school one teacher told us using swear words only show your lack of knowledge for better words. I took that to heart and the very few times I've used them, I really had no other option. However I've noticed swear words come more easily to me in English and don't feel as harsh as when I hear them in Spanish. I wonder if it's my lack of vocabulary.

cursing in english, for me at least, doesn't feel... real (compared to my native language).

in english, i swear like a pirate while on my native language, i try not to do it.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

#126

There is a video [0] about this censoring-"problem" by Youtuber Tom Scott. He talks about how it's impossible to implement with all edge-cases, easy to circumvent and thus usually not a good idea. Fittingly, the video is filmed in Peniston. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcZdwX4noCE

If you play any video game that is multiplayer online you will know it's impossible. All these large companies Riot, Blizzard, Valve, etc implement censoring tools. People just swear over voice or add random characters to swear words or swear in different languages. It really doesn't matter what they do, people will still swear.

I think Riot did ok actually, at least when I used to play LoL you can disable the filter. That means those who do swear can just use their normal vocabulary and not have to invent ways around the filter, and those that haven't disabled it get a still decent censored experience.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

#127

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There's actually been interesting research done about that idea, that people who swear have a smaller vocabulary or are less fluent. It seems that the opposite is actually true¹, people who swear are actually demonstrating a broader fluency. Worth a read! ¹ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03880...

I've never given credence to the "cursing == less articulate" either. It's knowing the impact dropping a curse can have to get people's attention. Plus, sometimes, people are just too dense to get how bothered you are, but drop a colorful phrase, and they tend to get the point. Like the George Carlin bit, take a word like "incredible" and it's a nice word. Stick fuck in the middle of it to make "infuckingcredible" an…

> Fanfuckingtastic > fantastic and is much more impactful than "most fantastic"

I’ve always heard and used that “word” in the sarcastic sense, rather than as meaning more/most fantastic. Using in context to illustrate:

Friend: I broke the part we need to finish the project.

Me: Fanfuckingtastic, guess I’ll get busy making another one.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

#128
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Fag##t is also not censured. It is one of the core problems: Not enough diverse people involved in those projects, and the outcome is showing that the only thing "wrong" in calling someone "f###ing fag##t n#####r" is the first word, the two other ones are "fine" or "depends on context" as other mentioned in this thread. Go thoughts and intention, but needs support on execution.

I think you’re taking this a little bit too seriously

You might have never experienced the intersectionality of being both. In any case, is it really yours to judge? Anyways, your comment is precisely the point I'm making: most people working on these projects are not necessarily aware of the underlying issues that people actually suffer from. They under play some, simply because they have not experienced it. Not complaining though, this is better than not doing anything, but we need to setup better ways to pull-in more diversity on these projects.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ESL here. At school one teacher told us using swear words only show your lack of knowledge for better words. I took that to heart and the very few times I've used them, I really had no other option. However I've noticed swear words come more easily to me in English and don't feel as harsh as when I hear them in Spanish. I wonder if it's my lack of vocabulary.

There's actually been interesting research done about that idea, that people who swear have a smaller vocabulary or are less fluent. It seems that the opposite is actually true¹, people who swear are actually demonstrating a broader fluency. Worth a read! ¹ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03880...

It doesn't surprise me that people with larger overall vocabularies also have larger swear vocabularies. But the study you cite deals only with taboo word fluency, not with actual usage.

I would be curious whether high-vocab swearers diverge from low-vocab swearers in how they actually use bad language. In my experience, even my high-vocab friends drop f-bombs in substantially the same way that lower-vocab friends do. I don't buy the "lack of vocab" hypothesis, because no one smurfs swear words as a smurfy substitutes for inadequate vocab, but as for the "lazy language" hypothesis, I think it's possible to use curse words as a crutch even if you have the capacity to do otherwise.

And fluency doesn't necessarily indicate usage. I could rattle off many taboo words with which I am acquainted, but that doesn't mean I choose to use them.

Re: Scunthorpe Sans – a self-censoring font

#130

As a way to show off the capability of ligatures, more power to them. As an effort to censor, why in the ever loving fuck nuggets would you ever actually do that? I have young kids and a large family. We all curse periodically. Instead of telling the kids that these are bad words, we told them they are adult words. As in, when you are old enough you can curse all you want, but as a kid you can’t. We felt that this wa…

I don't curse. I used to do lots of consulting work. Not cursing never seemed to hold me back. I also found I tended to be less angry then the often times it seemed idiotic folks who were always having big disasters and cursing.

In my line of work people were paying to get problems solved, not to hire someone who rants and raves. And some of the best money is in solving problems that others stomp around and rant about in my experience. If you reliably solve problems, your hourly rate goes through the roof in consulting.

I totally didn't value my time properly at the beginning ($25/hr!!) -> now it's incredibly higher - I've no idea what I was thinking at the beginning.

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