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Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by alasdair_ »

viridian wrote: post #440
alasdair_ wrote: post #256

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>We will give our freedoms away in name of preventing toxicity and hate speech. (I spent a good few minutes trying to come up with a politer response than the following. I failed.) Bullshit. I keep seeing this “free speech” slippery-slope claim. It’s simply not true. I don’t know of a single mainstream or even semi-mainstream us or eu-based site that demands PII to stock “hate speech”. They ask for two main reasons:…

I can't speak to websites, but I can speak to community discords that have 10,000+ users where hate speech prevention is the reason that you have to provide proof of identity.

I have been on several such discord channels. In the ones I’ve been on, they got tired of people spamming nazi shit or the n-word over and over again, in addition to other forms of obnoxious spam. This isn’t so much an anti-hate speech protection as a general anti-abuse protection

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Post by known »

coldtea wrote: post #370
roenxi wrote: post #355

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China has a long cultural history of being relatively more wealthy than everyone else. But in absolute terms though they've just had a huge amount of technological progress dropped on them. Something like 3+ generations in of progress in Europe compressed into a fraction of a generation in China. And they look like they are regaining their traditional place as a world leading power. India will eventually show them ev…

> India will eventually show them eventually up as having an inferior political model but on balance I doubt it. If anything India's system is less effective, equally or more corrupt, and downright barbarous in some social aspects (e.g. castes). Plus the rampant inequality which is much worse than China.

Which caste is looting India? https://archive.vn/1X1Un

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by woutr_be »

RaceWon wrote: post #532
tempestn wrote: post #519

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I think your parent is arguing that they use the threat of the camps to back up their censorship.

> I think your parent is arguing that they use the threat of the camps to back up their censorship I am indeed. But of course your use of the term "threat" might imply to some readers that it is not a reality for those poor souls... I would substitute "hellish reality".

Thanks for clarifying, but I still don't think this is relevant to the current discussion. This is probably another discussion as to why people allow censorship, one reason could be the punishment, but there are probably many other reasons.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by intopieces »

einpoklum wrote: post #539
intopieces wrote: post #444

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What's the problem with Apple mail?

No problem if you're already have: Cc: spy_on_me@nsa.gov on all your emails. Actually, that's not good enough, since your correspondents need to have that too; plus, Apple probably monitors your interactions with the webmail interface too and that can be scrutinized to learn more about you.

My threat model doesn't consider state-level actors. I presume that they'll get me one way or another. It's the advertisers I'm worried about, and Apple doesn't use this data for ads.

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Post by brandall10 »

square_usual wrote: post #258
wolco wrote: post #193

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I just visited that site. The concerning thing is the site isn't spam and offers a political view with photos/videos of real moments that may reflect poorly on joe . To censor that is crossing the line into censoring valid political speech.

Even the policy positions listed there are literally factual and backed with sources from CNN, NYT and government websites. There is no remotely plausible reason for that site to be blacklisted by facebook.

It's made by a person who works for Trump's campaign team, yet the language toward the bottom gives the impression the author has no affiliation with any political group. That is likely the reason behind the block.

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Post by [deleted] »

MattGaiser wrote: post #263
square_usual wrote: post #258

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Even the policy positions listed there are literally factual and backed with sources from CNN, NYT and government websites. There is no remotely plausible reason for that site to be blacklisted by facebook.

Maybe Russians made it?

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Post by hutzlibu »

rorykoehler wrote: post #526
hutzlibu wrote: post #501

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"compare it to the dystopia China has become." Just out of curiosity, what times are you referring to, when china became dystopian?

If you have to ask you haven't been paying attention

So ... apparently you mean the recent events?

Well, have you ever heard of the tiananmen place?

Or ... the "cultural revolution" from Mao himself?

Or the cleansing events after the revolution?

Or, ... before the red revolution, years of bloody civil war, with ruthless warlords taxing even dying of their underlings, or general things in old china like child towers outside of town, where the unwanted babys were thrown to die, so their souls did not haunt the houses of the living?

In other words, you have been sleeping before(or did not bother with china at all), if you only consider the current events the strong ones, that qualify for dystopia.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by lamnk »

JCharante wrote: post #257
TechBro8615 wrote: post #98

It’s worth noting that Facebook Messenger also intercepts and filters messages. For example, it’s impossible to send a message containing the link “joebiden.info”. On the mobile app, it will simply say “failed to send.” On desktop, it will tell you the link violates its “community standards” and cannot be shared.

Wow I just tried this out. I can't believe they're so brazenly blocking content.

You must be new to FB blockings. Our company has a website ranked in the top ten most visited websites in our country, and FB just block the domain entirely from FB systems without any explanation. They only unban us recently.
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