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The Case for Stanislaw Lem

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Re: The Case for Stanislaw Lem

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Lem was a brilliant writer and I’d recommend his books to anyone, not just science fiction fans.

The author of this article seems to have an ideological axe to grind though. Lem himself was never so humorless and hamfisted. In fact his books are often very funny.

Re: The Case for Stanislaw Lem

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I love Stanislaw Lem's work. I particularly enjoyed Futurological Congress. It was so absurd but I loved how it explored how it is never possible to be 100% sure that what you are experience is "real". The trippiness of all of the drugs and absurd situations was hilarious. Highly recommend.

Re: The Case for Stanislaw Lem

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Stanislaw Lem is one of my favorite authors. "His Masters Voice" is one of my favorite books. "Cyberiad" and "Mortal Engines" are also great books but much more playful and probably geared towards a younger audience, even if some of the subject matter is philosophically deep. I think Stanislaw Lem kind of suffered from the same fate as Gibson's work in that there have been a few attempts at making them into movies bu…

Tarkovskis Solaris is really good.

Lem hated it. He said Tarkovski turned his book into a Dostoyevsky novel.

The problem is that it focused almost exclusively on the relationship drama and jettisoned the science fiction.

Re: The Case for Stanislaw Lem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tarkovskis Solaris is really good.

Lem hated it. He said Tarkovski turned his book into a Dostoyevsky novel. The problem is that it focused almost exclusively on the relationship drama and jettisoned the science fiction.

I found the movie to be incredibly boring, so I read the book to find out if it was just a bad adaption. In my opinion the book was even more boring.

Re: The Case for Stanislaw Lem

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I grew up with Lem's works as a kid, teenager and young adult in West Germany in the 80's. Lem spoke German so he was involved with the translations and there wasn't anything he wrote that didn't get translated to German. Not least because East Germany, together with Poland, was part of the Soviet block. I read 'Eden' when I was in 3rd grade -- my dad left it laying on the table in our living room. It had the world '…

Interestingly, Watts himself makes a pretty good case for Solaris:

https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=5566

Re: The Case for Stanislaw Lem

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I got a 404, so I did a quick Google search. This seems to be the article in question —> https://onezero.medium.com/the-case-for-stanislaw-lem-one-of... I am excited to read it. I just finished reading Solaris for the first time, and it was mind-changing. I highly recommend it to any of you who haven’t read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(novel)

> I just finished reading Solaris for the first time, and it was mind-changing. I have heard Solaris refered to as being mind-changing before. What was it about Solaris that impacted you so much? After first hearing about Solaris decades ago, I finally got around to reading it upon learning of his passing. I must have missed something because it didn't strike me as living up to its reputation.

I thought it was a truly novel speculation on encountering nonhuman intelligence in the cosmos that challenges our most common fantasies about space exploration. I know I’m guilty of anthropomorphizing intelligence because that’s a lot easier than considering that it may come to us in incomprehensible forms, so I was generally impressed how well he was able to portray that— devising the actions of a nonhuman intelligence is almost a paradox.

I can see how the dry digressions (which I personally enjoyed) and lack of resolution could rub some readers the wrong way, but I found the philosophical questions it raised valuable, not to mention the mystery and human interest woven between it all. There are of course other works with this kind of thought experiment (like the movie Arrival and the short story it’s based on), but I find Lem’s pessimism refreshing.

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I got a 404, so I did a quick Google search. This seems to be the article in question —> https://onezero.medium.com/the-case-for-stanislaw-lem-one-of... I am excited to read it. I just finished reading Solaris for the first time, and it was mind-changing. I highly recommend it to any of you who haven’t read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(novel)

> I just finished reading Solaris for the first time, and it was mind-changing. I have heard Solaris refered to as being mind-changing before. What was it about Solaris that impacted you so much? After first hearing about Solaris decades ago, I finally got around to reading it upon learning of his passing. I must have missed something because it didn't strike me as living up to its reputation.

Solaris is different from most scifi in which aliens are presented in largely anthropomorphic terms. They're either humanoids, monsters from our nightmares, or they take on the form of humans or human communication. What they lack is the quality of being truly alien.

The Solaris ocean is utterly alien to the point that the humans are unable to understand and communicate with it, despite it clearly possessing some form of intelligence. The alien isn't a mirror for the human reader. It also presents issues for science, since Solaris can't be understood, implying that science is limited by our being human. And that kind of mind-blowing.

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