James Damore and three others end Google suit

Post by manigandham » Sun, May 10, 2020, 2:17 AM UTC

pas wrote: post #809

therealdrag0 wrote: post #774

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There was an article about this, that said he went on some alt-right show/podcast and was really uncomfortable/disagreed with what the guy was saying but also isn't the kind of person who can charismatically argue on the spot like that (isn't he "on the spectrum"?). He had no idea what he was getting into.

Well, he should have just stick to writing. Spectrum or not, recognizing that you're not great at talking, and you're not great at handling the fallout doesn't require special skills. I'm not blaming him for going on those shows, but he should have recognized - after all he tried to argue a complex problem complexly - that supporting very biased simple platforms won't do him and his arguments any good, especially on…

Post by manigandham » Sun, May 10, 2020, 2:27 AM UTC

fzeroracer wrote: post #136

manigandham wrote: post #90

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What was actually said is that men and women tend to have different interests on average, and therefore choose different professions when given equal freedom and opportunity. More men choose to be mechanical engineering and more women choose biological sciences. It's strange for that to be so controversial. Not having an interest in a field does not mean you're not capable. Perhaps that's the nuance that's missing.

This argument doesn't work because there were a significant number of woman devs back in the 70s and 80s. That claim is completely at odds with the history of programming. And before people make the claim that programming was glorified hole punching as it seems to come up by that point in history we already saw the rise of modern abstractions and higher level development. It's controversial because it's trying to abs…

Post by smitty1e » Sun, May 10, 2020, 2:40 AM UTC

Nitramp wrote: post #134

smitty1e wrote: post #85

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And the lady engineers should put out some great work in reply and refute him.

That's not good. Imagine how you'd feel. Imagine people would generally claim that someone who looks like you is a bad engineer (say, someone with your hair color). And then imagine that people would expect you to constantly disprove that assumption, just because of your hair color. You'd be on the edge all the time. You'd never feel at home in the field. And whenever you interact with someone who doesn't have past w…

Post by magic5227 » Sun, May 10, 2020, 2:53 AM UTC

reroute1 wrote: post #834

magic5227 wrote: post #782

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"How is the statement in a general population inaccurate?" um, because there is no credible science behind his assumptions. Many of the researchers he cites dispute his conclusions. I'm not ignoring his argument, I'm saying it's a really bad argument with almost no evidence to support it.

Actually it's pretty basic biology and psychology. What "conclusions" are disagreed? Can you really not see how this would apply in real life with personality differences? It seems obvious and intuitive not even mentioning the science, women are more social on average, men more into things that make a whirring noise. What data am I missing?

Post by dragonwriter » Sun, May 10, 2020, 3:32 AM UTC

hackissimo123 wrote: post #712

dragonwriter wrote: post #411

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> FAANG software engineers are arguably the least oppressed people on the planet. Heterosexual cisgender white christian male FAANG software engineers may be. Racism and other bigotry doesn't stop affecting you because of economic class or other social position of advantage orthogonal to the basis of the bigotry. Similarly, police officers are also a relatively privileged group of people, but 90% of mistaken identity…

> 90% of mistaken identity shootings of off-duty police by police between 1982 and 2010 were shootings of black or hispanic officers. That's an interesting statistic. Can I have the source? (This is a genuine question, I'm not trying to cast doubt on what you said.)