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Proton pump inhibitors (heartburn meds) linked with increased risk of dementia

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Re: Proton pump inhibitors (heartburn meds) linked with increased risk of dementia

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I remember aluminum and particularly aluminum hydroxide as a heartburn drug was linked to dementia before. Nothing happened, because proofing causation seems close too impossible ruling out other confounders. I wonder without understanding all of the reasoning if this is any different? Can you prove sth. without an intervention?

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Off-topic: Maybe it's just me, and this is not important in the least, but I have been always slightly irritated by the use of the term "proton" in chemistry which they use to denote the (positive) hydrogen ion. Two reasons: unlike "electron", the term "proton" belongs in physics exclusively and not chemistry which only deals with point-like nuclei carrying mass plus an electric charge, and the electron cloud; the other reason was that just like many - if not most - chemical elements, hydrogen has several isotopes, and it is conceivable that at least some of the ions may have a neutron in its nucleus.

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From abstract: "Given that accumulating evidence points at cholinergic dysfunction as a driving force of major dementia disorders, our findings mechanistically explain how prolonged use of PPIs may increase incidence of dementia. This call for restrictions for prolonged use of PPIs in elderly, and in patients with dementia or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis." This is classical A causes B and B causes C, so A leads to C…

Somewhat tangentially, do you have an opinion on whether PPIs cause dementia, regardless of what the mechanism may be? Reason I ask is that I've been taking them daily for years to control GERD, so I'm wondering if I'm frying my brain. But I'm not really qualified to understand the intricacies of this kind of research. Even further tangent: seems like they may also cause acute kidney injury. Yaaaay. I guess everythin…

Sorry but no, I do not have an opinion on that.

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Off-topic: Maybe it's just me, and this is not important in the least, but I have been always slightly irritated by the use of the term "proton" in chemistry which they use to denote the (positive) hydrogen ion. Two reasons: unlike "electron", the term "proton" belongs in physics exclusively and not chemistry which only deals with point-like nuclei carrying mass plus an electric charge, and the electron cloud; the ot…

> the use of the term "proton" in chemistry which they use to denote the (positive) hydrogen ion

H+/K+ ATPase is a proton pump, not a hydrogen ion pump. It evolved to pump protons, and mostly pumps protons.

> the term "proton" belongs in physics exclusively and not chemistry which only deals with point-like nuclei carrying mass plus an electric charge, and the electron cloud

Lots of biological machinery fails with heavy hydrogen isotopes, including some proton pumps [1]. This is why heavy water is poisonous [2].

[1] https://tbiomed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1742-4682...

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water

Re: Proton pump inhibitors (heartburn meds) linked with increased risk of dementia

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Somewhat tangential, but I have a story about acid reflux that I think is worth sharing for anyone who is in a similar boat.

Basically, I was having reflux symptoms minus the heartburn. Lots of throat issues, digestive issues, coughing, etc. My doctor looked everything over and concluded that reflux was the most likely cause and we did a treatment of PPIs for a few weeks.

The PPI didn't help, but by the time the treatment was over we were in the middle of this pandemic so I couldn't go back into the doc for a next step.

Luckily a few weeks later I randomly stumbled into a fix. One day I noticed the symptoms were gone and when I thought about it I realized I had started taking an additional allergy medication a few days prior. So it seems that instead of reflux I had postnasal drip.

To be fair to the doctor he did mention postnasal drip as a possibility, but reflux was deemed as more likely because I was already on allergy meds and the symptoms were very reflux-y.

Obviously if you have reflux like symptoms, see a doc, but I thought my experience was worth sharing for anyone in a similar boat. It's fairly simple to try new allergy meds and see if that's the root cause. In my case adding a steroidal nasal spray into the mix was what helped. And it resolved the issue in a couple days, whereas trying out PPIs was a two month long experiment of continued suffering. (Side note: not all steroidal nasal sprays are created equal. I had previously tried Flonase which did nothing for me.)

Re: Proton pump inhibitors (heartburn meds) linked with increased risk of dementia

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Somewhat tangential, but I have a story about acid reflux that I think is worth sharing for anyone who is in a similar boat. Basically, I was having reflux symptoms minus the heartburn. Lots of throat issues, digestive issues, coughing, etc. My doctor looked everything over and concluded that reflux was the most likely cause and we did a treatment of PPIs for a few weeks. The PPI didn't help, but by the time the trea…

Which spray worked for you?

Re: Proton pump inhibitors (heartburn meds) linked with increased risk of dementia

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While there are some eyebrow-raising studies suggesting the correlation between PPI use and dementia, it is far from settled science. There are conflicting studies, and some meta-analyses suggest no association. Of course, studies saying drugs are safe don't make the news.

"No association between proton pump inhibitor use and risk of dementia: Evidence from a meta‐analysis" Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology (Jan 2020, https://doi.org/10.1111/jgh.14789)

"Dementia, cognitive impairment and proton pump inhibitor therapy: A systematic review" Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology (August 2017, https://doi.org/10.1111/jgh.13750)

"Risk factors for dementia diagnosis in German primary care practices" International Psychogeriatrics (July 2016, https://doi.org/10.1017/S1041610215002082)

From the last article: "The use of statins (OR: 0.94; 0.90–0.99), proton-pump inhibitors (PPI) (0.93; 0.90–0.97), and antihypertensive drugs (0.96, 0.94–0.99) were associated with a decreased risk of developing dementia."

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This is just anecdotal, but I've had problems with heartburn for years and am having great succes with betaine hcl + pepsin supplements. This actually increases stomach acid. That + dietary changes almost completely cleared my problems. Just throwing it out there. YMMV.

What dietary changes?

Idk if what I have is heartburn but the past 2 months or so I have been waking up to horrific stomach aches. Taking a round of Prilosec seems to have helped it. But I may want to backpedal on it given this news.

Re: Proton pump inhibitors (heartburn meds) linked with increased risk of dementia

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While there are some eyebrow-raising studies suggesting the correlation between PPI use and dementia, it is far from settled science. There are conflicting studies, and some meta-analyses suggest no association. Of course, studies saying drugs are safe don't make the news. "No association between proton pump inhibitor use and risk of dementia: Evidence from a meta‐analysis" Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology…

This article is stating a correlation but the reason they did this is that there is molecular evidence for cholinergic pathways in the body, and drugs which are anti-cholinergic, causing Alzheimer's because of this system being integral to the development of Alzheimer's disease.

The whole reason they decided to do this correlational study - and other studies like it - is because they have evidence that this cholinergic system plays a part in developing Alzheimers. Then, to back up that molecular theory and evidence, they're looking at correlations that the drugs that target this system have in developing Alzheimers. Sure enough things like how much one uses Diphenhydramine (active ingredient in benadryl and the same can be said for other allergy medications that are anti-cholinergic) shows that increased use has a direct correlation with increased risks of developing Alzheimer's disease.

Many studies on these anti-cholinergic drugs shows this correlation, they also have an understanding of the molecular basis of why, however in addition they also show that drugs that target this system in certain ways help reduce the symptoms of the disease.

Because of this, the evidence points to medications that fall into this "anti-cholinergic" or "slighly anti-cholinergic" drug category - allergy medications (diphenhydramine, loratadine) some PPI and others - might also amplify the chances of getting the disease.

There seems to be a lot of evidence pointing to this, and while its still an emerging area I'm confused as to how you are stating that this system and these drugs that interact with it, which has a lot of evidence that it is part of the disease pathophysiology, are weak on evidence?

What is your background and the experience you have to be able to state what you just said?

Here is some background on this system and its implications with Alzheimer's :

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/900644

"The Cholinergic System in the Pathophysiology and Treatment of Alzheimer's Disease"

"Cholinergic synapses are ubiquitous in the human central nervous system. Their high density in the thalamus, striatum, limbic system, and neocortex suggest that cholinergic transmission is likely to be critically important for memory, learning, attention and other higher brain functions. Several lines of research suggest additional roles for cholinergic systems in overall brain homeostasis and plasticity. As such, the brain's cholinergic system occupies a central role in ongoing research related to normal cognition and age-related cognitive decline, including dementias such as Alzheimer's disease. The cholinergic hypothesis of Alzheimer's disease centres on the progressive loss of limbic and neocortical cholinergic innervation. Neurofibrillary degeneration in the basal forebrain is believed to be the primary cause for the dysfunction and death of forebrain cholinergic neurons, giving rise to a widespread presynaptic cholinergic denervation. Cholinesterase inhibitors increase the availability of acetylcholine at synapses in the brain and are one of the few drug therapies that have been proven clinically useful in the treatment of Alzheimer's disease dementia, thus validating the cholinergic system as an important therapeutic target in the disease. "

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