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Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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Journalist using the words "frat" in an article doesn't make something true. The only place I see this term slung is in the media and HN, or people making up abstract bad guys to vent their anger on.

Fraternities exist, and they have a culture associated with them. Visit any college campus (well, not right now) and you’ll find out exactly what it is.

By "culture associated with them" you mean you have a stereotype of their culture you associate with them.

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Damore was not offered a chance to receive forgiveness by either the company or the outrage mob, therefore I don't respect what people generally have to say about whether what he did was right or wrong. It's astounding that people are still debating this in this very HN thread. A society of any size that makes virtue claims while simultaneously adding an undue price to being wrong or insensitive deserves to be mocked…

1. I don't recall him ever "asking for forgiveness," or doing anything besides doubling down on his memo. 2. The "outrage mob" isn't real. You know who got James Damore fired? Himself. It's especially telling that you, and people who defend him, attribute zero fault whatsoever to the person who actually wrote the memo.

Pretty sure you don't want to admit the outrage mob is real because you are part of it.

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So what are you trying to say, we shouldn't be allowed to talk about gender differences? There's an enormous difference between the references you made because they are all trying to rationalize treating a race/gender as inferior. On top of that, there is no real scientific evidence backing anything up and it all basically amounts to inferring causation from correlation (ie. they are inferior because they are poor).…

That is not in fact what I'm trying to say. Sorry you wasted so much time replying to a point I wasn't making.

Practically every comment I've made in this thread I'd consider a waste of time since no one calling the memo "sexist" has made any serious argument, thus proving my point.

I always thought Reddit was a better platform for people more interested in a echo chamber safe space where they can post low-effort 1-2 sentence comments and be patted on the back with other similar comments all saying the same thing.

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Your timeline is wrong. Snowden defected to Russia. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden...

That's an opinion article.

It has a timeline. His passport was suspended while he was in Hong Kong. He did not travel to Moscow on his US passport, he travelled to Moscow on some other travel document. He’s a defector.

I know this site is full of Snowden apologists, but for goodness sake you don’t have to swallow every easily disprovable lie he tells.

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I am going to be honest, I consider myself on the left side of the spectrum, but I am disgusted by the outrage culture on Twitter etc. Besides censorship, I believe it's a tactic by neoliberal types to pretend to be on the left by virtue signaling, but not actually addressing any of the economics I care about, (medicare for all, free college etc.), so I actually agree with you there. That being said, what I also disl…

I'm cautious about approaching culture war threads, but I have to ask this question: What is your definition of "neoliberalism?" To my understanding, it is a center-left economic ideology that promotes globalization, free trade, and cooperation between nations as a way to lift up the poor. Neoliberals might be critical of some of the policies that you point out (e.g. free college) due to implementation concerns. Howe…

The issue with neoliberalism is that it does little to 'lift the poor' in practice, yet maintains strong rhetoric to that effect.

With regards to medicare for all and free college, I am an European, where these policies have been implemented to various degrees rather successfully.

My issue is with the way neoliberalism seems to be clinically used to rhetorically support many left ideas, while in reality not doing anything to get them close to reality, if not outright undermining them.

They're the ultimate 'human interventionists', so where neoconservatives will just outright acknowledge they're in it to show America's muscle, get U.S. business access to new markets, confront a competitor etc. the neoliberals tend to use a more veiled language, but ultimately peruse similar policies.

So while the Iraq War was drawn up by neocons, the Libya intervention was drawn up by neoliberals. The difference? Neoliberals used much more soft, humanitarian language, for what was ultimately a disaster of similar proportions to Iraq, including the return of slave markets.

That is my problem with neoliberals, the cynical use of floury, high-minded language in persit of ultimately goals not so different from neoconservatives after all.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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> when the profession becomes high profile, the women are driven out Because of fierce competition, where males (primarily driven by testosterone) have a higher drive to compete. It's biological. This doesn't mean that there aren't going to be women who will compete with said men, just fewer of them.

I just wish there was less of this “fierce competition” and the ambitious little pricks that just want money and power moved on to poison other wells... I’m into my work for the mysterious thrill of creating machines out of thin air - a little less so since several years, and you might guess why - and loathe these sycophants, assholes and delicate manchildren ruining it

People who want power and money will move to wherever power and money exist, it's a tautology. Whether it be in finance or C-level positions. It's just a part of life I suppose, not that it's a good thing.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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That not even vaguely what that memo was. It was a blatantly political argument. Its go link was "pc-considered-harmful". Its central thesis was that Google leans too far to the left.

I think we're talking about the same memo, just a different take on it. To be clear, it was a response to a solicitation of feedback on a diversity program. If a company can't handle honest, carefully researched and presented feedback - they shouldn't ask for it.

Your notion is that whatever an employee does should be fine as long as it technically complies with a the wording of vague, general request made by a coworker?

That would be one way to run a company, I guess. But I've never heard of one that actually works like that.

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I'm cautious about approaching culture war threads, but I have to ask this question: What is your definition of "neoliberalism?" To my understanding, it is a center-left economic ideology that promotes globalization, free trade, and cooperation between nations as a way to lift up the poor. Neoliberals might be critical of some of the policies that you point out (e.g. free college) due to implementation concerns. Howe…

The issue with neoliberalism is that it does little to 'lift the poor' in practice, yet maintains strong rhetoric to that effect. With regards to medicare for all and free college, I am an European, where these policies have been implemented to various degrees rather successfully. My issue is with the way neoliberalism seems to be clinically used to rhetorically support many left ideas, while in reality not doing any…

Thank you for your reply. I think I understand this better now.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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Damore was not offered a chance to receive forgiveness by either the company or the outrage mob, therefore I don't respect what people generally have to say about whether what he did was right or wrong. It's astounding that people are still debating this in this very HN thread. A society of any size that makes virtue claims while simultaneously adding an undue price to being wrong or insensitive deserves to be mocked…

People always pretend this shit is about "professionalism" or whatever while ignoring that if you have leftist political opinions you can run wild rubbing them in people's faces and nothing whatsoever will happen to you.

It's so utterly and transparently self-serving, it's disgusting.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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That is not in fact what I'm trying to say. Sorry you wasted so much time replying to a point I wasn't making.

Practically every comment I've made in this thread I'd consider a waste of time since no one calling the memo "sexist" has made any serious argument, thus proving my point. I always thought Reddit was a better platform for people more interested in a echo chamber safe space where they can post low-effort 1-2 sentence comments and be patted on the back with other similar comments all saying the same thing.

One, I didn't say that, so I'm not sure why you think it's my job to argue the point. Two, you are not coming across as a guy who's seriously looking to understand why people might reasonably see something as sexist. You can't really be surprised that nobody's willing to take the time to educate somebody who doesn't want to learn.
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