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Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by detaro »

tehwebguy wrote: post #48
detaro wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "appropriate for kids" thing has caused a lot of concern for youtubers due to how relatively heavy-handed it is.

YouTubers are beholden to YouTube, YouTube is beholden to advertisers. When advertisers realized that a stupid percentage of their ad spend was going to four-year-olds watching six hours of unlicensed Disney characters in kinky scenarios it was the perfect storm for change. Keeping perceived ad value up to advertisers is why creators even have the opp to monetize at the rate they do, so it’s really give and take.

Trouble with the FTC is much more responsible for this than advertisers.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by megavolcano »

FalconSensei wrote: post #12
olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

THIS! Also, if someone asks me for my YT channel, I just say the channel name and they know where to look, youtube.com. With peertube you have to: give your channel name, remember then it's NOT youtube, tall then the correct instance, hope they won't type peertube on google and try to search for you in the first instance that comes up.

Why wouldn't you just give them a direct-link to your "not-youtube" channel?

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

#53

Post by stOneskull »

madengr wrote: post #9

There has got to be some alternative to YouTube. First it was gun videos, then “hate speech”, then medical videos or anything that doesn’t tow their line with the virus, and now they are screwing with people (the Peak Prosperity guy) discussing peer reviewed literature.

There are. People just have to nourish them. With content, presence and donations. And rather than one big youtube alternative, it's probably better having many places focusing on types of video, eg. Twitch or Dlive with live streams, that provide better experience in that area than youtube. Bitchute is in an interesting place where that'll often be where banned people from youtube will be. With enough nourishment from people, the video makers might not even go to youtube in the first place. These alternatives can chew into youtube as small goblins rather than one big one.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by emersion »

olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

>When I sign up for gmail, I can just be myself. I don't have to be myself + something else.

Well, it's still you + gmail.com. It could be you + fastmail.com, it could be you + posteo.de, it could be you + . You still chose gmail over another provider, like you could choose cucumbers.pizza over another provider in the case of the Fediverse.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by DanBC »

Spivak wrote: post #3

I mean good for them diversifying but it’s such a weird thing that of all the stuff to complain about on YT they go out of their way to mention having to tag videos as appropriate for children and/or for children. Like surely that’s such a tiny thing. It seems like the author is trying to muster up some nondescript hate for YT when they were going to move for ideological reasons anyway.

There's a weird mix of regulation and Youtube action that mean no-one (parents, youtubers, regulators) are happy with the current result.

We want to protect children from predatory data harvesting, so we have laws like COPPA (in the US). YouTube's answer to COPPA was to just forbid children under 13 having their own account and launching Youtube Kids.

Children under 13 want to watch youtube, and the content they want isn't always on YTKids, so they watch using a parent's account. They do this because they also want the like and subscribe buttons. But because YT doesn't know if it's a child or adult watching they serve ads for horror films or gambling or alcohol. But they also try to guess if it's a child watching the video and they'll serve ads for toys.

Regulators were unhappy.

Youtube tried to say to the regulators "we comply with coppa and we definitely do not target children for ads", but they were going to the potential advertisers and saying "we have the largest child audience and we know how you can reach them".

Faced with further regulation Youtube bunted this onto the creators, and (weirdly, IMO) the regulators agreed and said that the creators (not Youtube) were responsible for ads placed against their content.

Now you have content that is clearly, unambiguously, aimed at children where the Youtuber has to say the word "fuck" three times a video so they can tick the "not for kids" box to get decent ad revenue. There's a bunch of content that was fine for kids that now has to include tediously edgy shit just to avoid that "aimed at kids" classification. Youtube has no idea who is watching videos so the ad serving is awful. The regulators don't talk to each other but are clearly unhappy that unsuitable ads are pushed at kids.

And parents are left not knowing if this content aimed at children actually is aimed at children or if it's going to include jokes about anal rape[1].

[1] On the off-chance that anyone from YouTube is reading this this is a real fucking example, but there's no way to tell you.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by emersion »

FalconSensei wrote: post #12
olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

THIS! Also, if someone asks me for my YT channel, I just say the channel name and they know where to look, youtube.com. With peertube you have to: give your channel name, remember then it's NOT youtube, tall then the correct instance, hope they won't type peertube on google and try to search for you in the first instance that comes up.

Just say it's your channel instead of saying it's your Peertube channel. You don't necessarily need to explain what Peertube is each time.

Also, searching for your account on any Peertube instance should work fine.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by benhurmarcel »

kevmo314 wrote: post #42
olah_1 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is the "something else" here that Gmail uniquely lacks? The unique domain that I would otherwise have to associate myself with. "gmail" is so ubiquitous that it just doesn't mean anything anymore. It's just... the protocol. Tell someone that your email is "alice@alice.website" and even _that_ is saying something significant about yourself that you may not want to say. A big aspect of appearing "cool" is not le…

It's nice to see someone else have this point of view. I have a personal domain but still run @gmail.com because I get the impression that having my own domain makes me look like a complete nerd to my friends. Of course, I am, but no need to reinforce that.

I have the same sentiment, but I think using other appropriately-named providers has the same effect. Nobody bats an eye when you say @fastmail.com or @mailbox.org for example.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by untog »

olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

> I believe that gmail won email not because of security and good user experience. I think they won because it removed the complexity of this problem.

I can’t agree with that because Gmail was far from the first to provide this. Growing up all my friends and I had Hotmail addresses.

Gmail won because of unlimited storage and to a lesser extent a far superior UI. The invitation system also gave it a “cool” factor others never had.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by amelius »

untog wrote: post #58
olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

> I believe that gmail won email not because of security and good user experience. I think they won because it removed the complexity of this problem. I can’t agree with that because Gmail was far from the first to provide this. Growing up all my friends and I had Hotmail addresses. Gmail won because of unlimited storage and to a lesser extent a far superior UI. The invitation system also gave it a “cool” factor othe…

And the "beta" tagline gave it something magical.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

kevmo314 wrote: post #42
olah_1 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is the "something else" here that Gmail uniquely lacks? The unique domain that I would otherwise have to associate myself with. "gmail" is so ubiquitous that it just doesn't mean anything anymore. It's just... the protocol. Tell someone that your email is "alice@alice.website" and even _that_ is saying something significant about yourself that you may not want to say. A big aspect of appearing "cool" is not le…

It's nice to see someone else have this point of view. I have a personal domain but still run @gmail.com because I get the impression that having my own domain makes me look like a complete nerd to my friends. Of course, I am, but no need to reinforce that.

> having my own domain makes me look like a complete nerd to my friends.

...yes, of course; why else would you do it? ;)

I'm semi-kidding; there are very real practical benefits, but I really do run email through my own domain, at least in part, because it sends a message.

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