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We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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THIS! Also, if someone asks me for my YT channel, I just say the channel name and they know where to look, youtube.com. With peertube you have to: give your channel name, remember then it's NOT youtube, tall then the correct instance, hope they won't type peertube on google and try to search for you in the first instance that comes up.

How would you suggest we improve on this?

Maybe some kind of centralized lookup? Oh wait...

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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> What is the "something else" here that Gmail uniquely lacks? The unique domain that I would otherwise have to associate myself with. "gmail" is so ubiquitous that it just doesn't mean anything anymore. It's just... the protocol. Tell someone that your email is "alice@alice.website" and even _that_ is saying something significant about yourself that you may not want to say. A big aspect of appearing "cool" is not le…

What @gmail.com says to me, is that the user is okay with Google reading their email.

That's exactly why I said "It sounds silly to the technical demographic".

Many people on HN just straight up won't understand what I'm talking about.

To a normal person, "@gmail.com" doesn't say _anything_. Give someone a different domain and they will literally look at you funny.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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THIS! Also, if someone asks me for my YT channel, I just say the channel name and they know where to look, youtube.com. With peertube you have to: give your channel name, remember then it's NOT youtube, tall then the correct instance, hope they won't type peertube on google and try to search for you in the first instance that comes up.

How would you suggest we improve on this?

One thing that would partially help would, at least, a global video search at peertube.com. With channel names you have a problem, as they would not be unique, BUT at least, you could return all users in all instances, and hope people check the avatar. That would make the process more transparent to users, as they would go to peertube.com and see everyone they follow.

BUT, there's a huge problem. When you have a big creator on the platform, like PewDiePie for example. Every instance would have someone creating a fake PewDiePie. So, either the original creator would go to another platform, or they would need to use bots to create they users on all possible instances. So... creator will not have any incentive on using Peertube, as there's no 100% way to know who's the original.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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First video played well (at reduced quality, 480p), with 6 peers. The other videos seemed to just have a single peer, and it seems like I had bad peering with that person/server, so everything was pretty much unplayable. Would be cool if there were a way to add peers from the command line. Then I could add a server or two with better peering and maybe be able to watch stuff.

Is there a way with PeerTube to use Backblaze and Cloudflare as an object store and content server of last resort? Similar to how Amazon S3 supports serving objects as torrents but you can also retrieve it directly over HTTPS.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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How would you suggest we improve on this?

One thing that would partially help would, at least, a global video search at peertube.com. With channel names you have a problem, as they would not be unique, BUT at least, you could return all users in all instances, and hope people check the avatar. That would make the process more transparent to users, as they would go to peertube.com and see everyone they follow. BUT, there's a huge problem. When you have a big…

Sounds like a keys.pub integration is necessary for cryptographic identity attestation and verification, since Keybase was acquired by Zoom.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22995792

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

How is @gmail.com different than any other @domain.com?

Do a social experiment. When you are at a store and they ask your email for your receipt, try giving then your email, and compare their expressions and the time they need to input it in the system if it's gmail or your own domain.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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How would you suggest we improve on this?

Maybe some kind of centralized lookup? Oh wait...

And how do you handle all the @pewdiepie@someotherinstance? The original creator has to create an account on all instances to avoid fakes, or give up on the platform?

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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One thing that would partially help would, at least, a global video search at peertube.com. With channel names you have a problem, as they would not be unique, BUT at least, you could return all users in all instances, and hope people check the avatar. That would make the process more transparent to users, as they would go to peertube.com and see everyone they follow. BUT, there's a huge problem. When you have a big…

Sounds like a keys.pub integration is necessary for cryptographic identity attestation and verification, since Keybase was acquired by Zoom. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22995792

Unless all of this is completely transparent to the viewers and content creators, not gonna help.

Remember when Mastodon started, the fake IDs were already a problem: https://mashable.com/2017/04/06/you-cant-delete-your-mastodo...

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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How is @gmail.com different than any other @domain.com?

Do a social experiment. When you are at a store and they ask your email for your receipt, try giving then your email, and compare their expressions and the time they need to input it in the system if it's gmail or your own domain.

But the choice never was "gmail or your own domain". Pre-gmail it already was likely to be one of a few large providers, (and to a good degree still is). The argument sounds a bit like "gmail won because gmail won": For gmail to be the default assumption, they already have to have won.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

It also means that if these get popular they will coalesce into an oligopoly. Those huge domains will then be pressured by the costs of hosting and the need to improve the protocol to monetize their users with ads or surveillance.

Congratulations, we reinvented Facebook.

Anything with any hierarchy in its namespace will follow this path. Only pure P2P has a chance of avoiding it, and pure P2P is very hard to build and scale.

It also faces a serious protocol ossification challenge with no good solution (yet). Federated protocols face it too, but less as there are fewer cats to herd.

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