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Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by dang »

xf1cf wrote: post #242
sacks2k wrote: post #83

It's not just WeChat. They own stakes in many american media companies and movie production houses. They use this influence to also change our Media and push pro-Chinese propaganda to the American public.

You can see the pro-chinese propaganda on this site alone. The number of people supporting Zoom, WHO, WeChat, etc is enough to conclude with near certainty this site as well is owned by the Chinese. Unfortunately this comment and mine will be downvoted to oblivion. But the truth is the Chinese war doctrine is to purchase land and acquire covenants. Look at Africa, Indonesia, and India. They are bought wholesale by Ch…

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines.

Complaining about how you'll get banned doesn't immunize you against getting banned, btw. You have to actually follow the rules, and this sort of flamebait and nationalistic battle is well outside the line.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by RaceWon »

tempestn wrote: post #519
woutr_be wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can list any number of things, but we were talking about censorship, so I don’t see the need to throw another subject into the mix.

I think your parent is arguing that they use the threat of the camps to back up their censorship.

> I think your parent is arguing that they use the threat of the camps to back up their censorship

I am indeed. But of course your use of the term "threat" might imply to some readers that it is not a reality for those poor souls... I would substitute "hellish reality".

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by pmachinery »

vermilingua wrote: post #527
pmachinery wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They own stakes in many american media companies and movie production houses. They use this influence to also change our Media and push pro-Jewish propaganda to the American public." Just criticism of the Israeli government?

The difference there is that people holding those views never claim that the Israeli govt is behind such schemes, they believe it is the International Jewish Shadow Cabal, in which Israel is just a cog.

My point is that such a statement is obviously not referring to a government, but to a people.

Is your point seriously that such a statement is racist when about Jewish people, but not racist when about Chinese people?

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #472
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a B2B service (“B2SB”?) - not targeting people/consumers - so it’s reasonable to assume they have a real phone number.

I run a business. Why is it reasonable to assume the use of legacy phone numbers?

We target a particular subset of retail-customer businesses which all generally have a phone-number.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by 101404 »

blackrock wrote: post #530
101404 wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democracy and rule of law usually start to have an advantage over authoritarianism when you surpass an annual GDP per capita of about 5000 USD. So, on the long term, I am optimistic that India will catch up. Especially now that the USA is moving away from China as "work bench". I hope we here in Europe will follow that policy, too. It just makes much more sense to support an emerging democracy than to support a facis…

The coronavirus disagrees with you.

No, it doesn't.

See, I have the better argument!

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by ivalm »

boomlinde wrote: post #429
elefanten wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To your question: Relative transparency and relative accountability of the governments in question. But your question is by nature setting up a false comparison. There is no observed censorship apparatus in place in the US. You can always pose "what if" scenarios about super classified efforts, but functionally there is no active system in place. Compare this to the vastly-resourced, all-encompassing one operated ope…

Short of absolute transparency and absolute accountability, you can only be relatively certain, i.e. not certain.

But not all “not certain” are created equal. After all, if you apply a sufficiently strong threshold nothing is certain.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by einpoklum »

intopieces wrote: post #444
einpoklum wrote: post #415

Chinese state surveillance and state censorship is terrible. But - US', and int'l corporations' mass surveillance, and censorship, is way up there in the "degree of evil". Please encourage your tech-savvy friends to use safer applications, like Signal for messaging - not WhatsApp; and FOSS alternatives to Zoom, e.g.: https://fosspost.org/alternative-software/end-users/zoom-alt... no less importantly - try to ween the…

What's the problem with Apple mail?

No problem if you're already have:

Cc: spy_on_me@nsa.gov

on all your emails. Actually, that's not good enough, since your correspondents need to have that too; plus, Apple probably monitors your interactions with the webmail interface too and that can be scrutinized to learn more about you.

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