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The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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I have to say when I took an extended layover in Doah it gave me a different sense of urgency about climate change. It was just oppressive to be outside, even during the night and they air-condition their open air markets. It got me thinking that there are a lot of places like this which are probably on the edge, and where a few degrees of warming will make them simply uninhabitable to humans. It would be a strange t…

You mean Doha, Qatar?

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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> Have any of their “predictions” aged well? No, but only in the sense that they've tended to be too conservative and to understate the degree and pace of change. And just to be clear, the paper linked to is a review of weather station data which finds that extreme heat & humidity conditions are occurring sooner and more frequently than models predicted.

Way off. The vast majority of their doom and gloom claims have been completely disproven. Only the woefully ignorant peddle this stuff. It’s perfectly natural for the weather to be extremely hot and humid sometimes.

That is one vintage denialist post. I guess once the evidence is all around one can only resort to denying the evidence. Love your usage of "the vast majority". It's the denial that has been disproven

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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The only options available for dealing with misinformed conspiracy theorists are downvoting, flagging, ignoring and rebuttal. The first three are interpreted as validation. It sucks, but that's the reality.

You forget about moderation. HN has pretty active moderators who generally come down hard on trolls and bad faith arguments. The troll may see it as validation when their posts are struck down, but that only matters to them, and since they're struck down and banned, it doesn't matter to anyone else. For some cases, I agree that a well-pointed rebuttal can be effective, not to convince the troll, but rather to inform…

Yep, but dang and co are quite light on the moderation (which I respect, mostly) so I find rebuttal to be the most likely response to succeed on HN.

I think your point regarding showing the audience is the salient one here.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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Actually this is probably pointless to post on HN since I doubt anyone here cares about climate change beyond their own personal inconvenience

You're not making any sense. How is people who threaten to kill poor people, continuing to threaten to kill poor people, turning the tables? I don't want to turn the tables, I don't want to threaten climate hysterics, I just want them to stop being evil.

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Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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This is the current model. In many places the violence may be out of living memory, but it's generally all very recent.

Just a few years ago, the weekend before May Day, a lawyer was stopped by the police here in Panama. The police searched through their database and found the lawyer had been accused of "economic terrorism." The lawyer was immediately put in jail. He worked pro bono defending the rights of informal settlers who have lived for years in vast areas of land owned by a very rich family. Given the amount of time these peopl…

Actually I just remembered a more recent case. After a very rich old lady showed up in TV last year explaining to people how access to drinking water is not a human right, videos came out on social media showing bulldozers destroying orchards in one of the Pearl Islands. They've been doing it since at least 2012. The rich lady's family wants to build some nice hotels there.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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You live in an extremely rich country, surely you can afford to install an AC unit if it impacts you as much as you're saying. Seems like that has a much better shot at solving your problem than waiting for the world to address global climate change.

> surely you can afford to install an AC unit Lots of people rent and they can't install AC. Lots of buildings in Europe are somewhat old and have controls over what you can or can't do with them (I live in England in a property that was built in 1820 and is gradeII listed, which means we're restricted on the kind of work we can do without getting permissions). The age of the buildings also means that AC is harder to…

I don't know how effective they are, but there are floor AC units where all you have to do is stick the heat output tube out a window.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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Personal anectode. I already can't bear summer. I don't have AC, as most people don't have it here in Switzerland. Even offices tend to not have them. There are 1 to 2 months a year where my productivity sinks, enjoyment of life plummets and I just want it all to be over. I also barely see any snow anymore, if I don't hike in the mountains. I love snow. The change is real and I hate it. Couldn't it be global cooling…

That may yet happen:

If the global temperature increases enough, the melting ice in Greenland (and probably elsewhere) would dump a lot of freshwater into the Atlantic. This would likely interrupt the thermohaline circulation of the oceans, which brings warmth from the equator to western Europe.

Weird interactions like this are why activists largely switched from "global warming" to "global climate change" - both exist, but one leads to the other and they don't refer to the same thing.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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Color me optimistic, but we'll learn to survive and adapt. Humans in temperate climates (Chicago, Toronto, etc.) already live in places where it's too cold to survive outside for long in winter. Just replace heaters with ACs in this case.

They aren't equally difficult problems. From a thermodynamic perspective, all processes in your environment deteriorate into either waste heat, or is moved outside your environment with work.Low-cost heating is easily available, whereas cooling can occur by moving heat to another location.

So for heating, you can just max out on insulation, decrease your surface area to volume ratio, and the waste heat from interior equipment will be more then enough to provide 'free' heating.

If you outdoor temperature is high (so natural ventilation doesn't do anything), there really isn't much we can do other than try and find higher and higher efficiency heat pumps to cycle out the heat, but even then you're just dumping the heat outside which creates its own issues. We can reflect/control short/long-wave radiation, but the sensible heat from the environment is a problem. Not an impossible problem, but requires more sophistication to resolve.

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