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The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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>>I am scared. Really scared. Everyone should be. The thing is, I'm completely oversatured with being scared. This has lead to massive mental issues in the last few years, because everything around us is apocalyptic, even though we live in unimaginable luxury compared to 99.9999% of the rest of the time when humanity existed. I just....can't anymore. >> The future of humanity is in your hands. No, it isn't. At least…

And yet we shut down airlines and personal car travel for a month or two and we can measurably see pollution in the air drastically fall.

Incredible how we react when we might die in 2 weeks instead of 50 years...

But the lockdown also shows the problems of shutting down the economy; in developing nations day wagers are starving and dying. In developed nations frothing-in-the-mouth idiots are protesting with their semi-auto weapons.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. When I was a teen I was sure we were headed for a bad future if we didn't act but I always thought it'd come after I am dead. Now I am scared I am going to be old and too frail to manage when life on earth will turn sour. edit: maybe it's time we put out a a Pioneer 10 plate with…

> When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. I can only hope so.

How do you imagine that working in practice? I mean I'm not saying the current structure is perfect, but if everyone had equal claim to land it seems like land usage disputes would just end up being resolved through violence

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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You live in an extremely rich country, surely you can afford to install an AC unit if it impacts you as much as you're saying. Seems like that has a much better shot at solving your problem than waiting for the world to address global climate change.

AC has the unfortunate side effect of accelerating climate change.

Heating does as well. Perhaps the Swiss should forgo that too. They are some of the richest people on Earth, having benefited more than most from the fossil fuel age. Remember, Russian oil oligarchs, Saudi oil barons, and all other anonymous nasty fossil fuel producers have parked their money in Switzerland for a very long time.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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Climate related reports are getting scarier by the day. I am scared. Really scared. Everyone should be. If I may, let me make a little plea. May I remind everyone that we are not a mere spectators of the show. We are active participants. We can influence things. We as in you and I, HN crowd. It may not seem like it, but an average HN reader has a non-trivial amount of influence. And not only in financial sense. Pleas…

> It may not seem like it, but an average HN reader has a non-trivial amount of influence. And not only in financial sense. Please, use it.

What do you mean by a 'non-trivial amount of influence'? Sure, we can ask our employers to enforce climate-friendly practices and talk to friends and family, but even protesting companies that contribute the most to pollution doesn't provide much relief as they either ignore the protests or make small changes that give them positive PR and make the less active people happy to stop trying.

What steps can a random person take to actually help the planet? I'm asking this without a shred of irony or doom and gloom, I legitimately would be happy to help stop the crisis but the only thing I can think of is planting dozens of trees every year.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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>>I am scared. Really scared. Everyone should be. The thing is, I'm completely oversatured with being scared. This has lead to massive mental issues in the last few years, because everything around us is apocalyptic, even though we live in unimaginable luxury compared to 99.9999% of the rest of the time when humanity existed. I just....can't anymore. >> The future of humanity is in your hands. No, it isn't. At least…

And yet we shut down airlines and personal car travel for a month or two and we can measurably see pollution in the air drastically fall.

The problem however is it shows us that unprecedented shutting down of the economy has an effect below that needed to tackle climate change. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-co2-isnt-fall...

The figure I saw quoted is an estimated yearly reduction due to global lockdown of around 5% for CO2 emissions where about 7.5% yearly reduction is needed.

This isn't necessarily a cause for doom and gloom but it does show we need to move the focus back to transport, energy generation, etc and away from personal responsibility which on its own has minor benefits.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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>These conditions, nearing or beyond prolonged human physiological tolerance, have mostly occurred only for 1- to 2-hours’ duration (fig. S2). They are concentrated in South Asia, the coastal Middle East, and coastal southwest North America, in close proximity to extraordinarily high SSTs and intense continental heat that together favor the occurrence of extreme humid heat (2, 14).

Future Indian geopolitics is certainly going to be interesting. Would like to see these hotspots mapped for the next 20-30 years to highlight the scope of the situation. Will certain areas become perennially uninhabitable? Is it a matter of having AC / low humidity shelters that people flock to a couple hours a day during seasonal peaks? Estimates on climate refugees and migration patterns etc. I suspect it's going to be onerous but workable. There's low energy dehumidifying HVAC solutions that might be attainable even in poorer communities. Ultimately, petro rich countries like middle East and North America is going to be fine and AC through the solution if they have to, aggravating the problem for everyone else. Regardless, it's a problem worth mitigating and acclimatizing to, 85% of the world is seeking to develop and will do so via the most cost-efficient (currently dirty) methods possible. IMO, accommodating for this is a greater moral imperative that's ultimately incompatible with aggregate reduction in emissions - that was never workable. Developed countries should still strive to improve efficient and innovate to flatten the environmental cost curve per unit of quality of improvement, and modify their life styles so that rampant consumptive culture is not the aspired endpoint. But that's even harder said then done because capitalism.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. When I was a teen I was sure we were headed for a bad future if we didn't act but I always thought it'd come after I am dead. Now I am scared I am going to be old and too frail to manage when life on earth will turn sour. edit: maybe it's time we put out a a Pioneer 10 plate with…

> When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. I can only hope so.

State enforced private land ownership is one of the key economic fundamentals of a prosperous society.

Historically societies with private land ownership have been wealthier and more inclusive than without (the alternative has been state ownership of all land).

Do you have any grounds why you would want it abolished?

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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> When I think about such scenarios I can't help thinking that there might not be any social constructs left to enforce ownership of land :/. I can only hope so.

How do you imagine that working in practice? I mean I'm not saying the current structure is perfect, but if everyone had equal claim to land it seems like land usage disputes would just end up being resolved through violence

This is the current model. In many places the violence may be out of living memory, but it's generally all very recent.

Re: The emergence of heat and humidity too severe for human tolerance

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Climate related reports are getting scarier by the day. I am scared. Really scared. Everyone should be. If I may, let me make a little plea. May I remind everyone that we are not a mere spectators of the show. We are active participants. We can influence things. We as in you and I, HN crowd. It may not seem like it, but an average HN reader has a non-trivial amount of influence. And not only in financial sense. Pleas…

> I am scared. Really scared. Everyone should be. This is a statement about your mental health, not one about reality. Barring a badly-timed war, the global standard of living in 2100 will be much better than today’s. Even if global warming causes 10% less increase in GDP, as some modeling conservatively predicts. If you want something to freak out about, I’d recommend nuclear war, the next AIDS-like virus, drone ter…

May I suggest you read the IPCC report? 2100 with business as usual scenarios looks like at least one billion humans with an urgent need to relocate. If you have a better model please show your work.
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