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Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by mads »

hiram112 wrote: post #493
woutr_be wrote: post #274

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You don't think censorship is a big deal? That's exactly the reason why their government gets away with it, because people see it as no big deal.

But muh private companies... WeChat is owned by the 'private company' Tencent. And most here think it's perfectly valid when Facebook or Google censor things they don't like. I'm sure you think that Google is a real private company, while Tencent is not. But the difference isn't really all that valid anymore; the US government has backdoors and special access to our tech behemoths, just like the Chinese do for their…

I dont believe anyone here is cheering much for any companies based in the advertising capital of the world.

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arminiusreturns wrote: post #437
propogandist wrote: post #400

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One of the few bio safety level 4 labs in the world, but it's not simple as pointing a finger at a lab alone. The University of Wuhan and University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, have worked collaboratively on research on a SARS like novel coronavirus found in Chinese Horseshoe bats back in 2015 [1]. The research, as noted on the bottom of the report, was funded by grants from National Institute of Health (under…

It's worth noting to others that USAID is often used as a front by three-letters.

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Post by pimple20 »

woutr_be wrote: post #343
balola wrote: post #291

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If what the gov is doing (ostensibly) makes them rich, e.g. they can afford cars and condo prices double every few years, them yes, the majority of people doesn't care.

Look, I've spoken to this to my friends in China about this before, and I can understand that to them it's okay, they've seen their lives improve over the past 10 years. And I understand why they feel that way, they've never known anything else. But anyone coming from the Western world, and agreeing with what their government is doing in terms of censorship, that I can't understand.

Snowden basically told the Western world how much access to their online data governments have, but people don't seem to care. Yet, they care that China does it for some reason

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midasz wrote: post #462
kart23 wrote: post #348

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So? Are we really at the point where we can defend censorship of a website that doesn't have any illegal content, no links to illegal content, and the purpose of which is not to do anything illegal, but whose only purpose make ones political opinions known. On Facebook messenger, one of the biggest messaging apps in the world. This is honestly disgusting, and I think they are going to face backlash for it.

So you're fine with the fact that they are purposefully spreading misinformation? Then just say that you're OK with that (if it suits your agenda, of course) instead of downvoting.

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Post by rorykoehler »

hutzlibu wrote: post #501
rorykoehler wrote: post #347

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I've lived in Singapore too. Its mighty oppressive in that I found myself self-censoring on occasion but you can't compare it to the dystopia China has become.

"compare it to the dystopia China has become." Just out of curiosity, what times are you referring to, when china became dystopian?

If you have to ask you haven't been paying attention

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Post by vermilingua »

pmachinery wrote: post #465
orestarod wrote: post #421

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How is criticizing a government racist towards the people it happens to rule over, again? In that logic, criticizing someone is racism towards each and every group that human happens to be part of. That's plain silly.

"They own stakes in many american media companies and movie production houses. They use this influence to also change our Media and push pro-Jewish propaganda to the American public." Just criticism of the Israeli government?

The difference there is that people holding those views never claim that the Israeli govt is behind such schemes, they believe it is the International Jewish Shadow Cabal, in which Israel is just a cog.

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Post by Paianni »

Eizieizz wrote: post #509
devit wrote: post #406

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Yeah, is there any information on why the Chinese government feels like they need the censorship? As far as I can tell they are the most successful government at least in modern history in terms of increasing living standards (huge GDP growth and even things like being the only country to successfully almost eradicate SARS-CoV-2), so it seems they would keep power even in a fully functioning democracy with no censors…

Bullshit! Taiwan started in the same state as the PRC communist dictatorship and they have progressed much more economically than China, their GDP is much higher. Also culturally and from a human rights perspective Taiwan blows the chicoms out of the water. Taiwan shows what China could have been if they would not have been taken hostage by the communist chinazis.

It took them forty years to deliver the democracy the 1947 constitution provisioned.

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Post by vinay427 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #503
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #423

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Trump and his circle are not the US Govt.

Then why do you have him sitting in that government office?

Because he's the President. That doesn't make him, or Congress by itself for that matter, the "government" in a general sense.

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Post by blackrock »

101404 wrote: post #378
coldtea wrote: post #370

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> India will eventually show them eventually up as having an inferior political model but on balance I doubt it. If anything India's system is less effective, equally or more corrupt, and downright barbarous in some social aspects (e.g. castes). Plus the rampant inequality which is much worse than China.

Democracy and rule of law usually start to have an advantage over authoritarianism when you surpass an annual GDP per capita of about 5000 USD. So, on the long term, I am optimistic that India will catch up. Especially now that the USA is moving away from China as "work bench". I hope we here in Europe will follow that policy, too. It just makes much more sense to support an emerging democracy than to support a facis…

The coronavirus disagrees with you.
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