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Re: We are not mostly empty space

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Is it just me who found the technical description and analogy here lacking? There's nothing that suggests electrons are a cloud. Yes, a "cloud" defines the probability where they can be found, but electron doesn't occupy the cloud. Electron is always a point, no matter what wave function it has. Therefore, from this perspective space is all empty. If you invoke path integrals and infinitely many things bubbling in an…

Some think that electron is a string!

Re: We are not mostly empty space

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post #31

Is it just me who found the technical description and analogy here lacking? There's nothing that suggests electrons are a cloud. Yes, a "cloud" defines the probability where they can be found, but electron doesn't occupy the cloud. Electron is always a point, no matter what wave function it has. Therefore, from this perspective space is all empty. If you invoke path integrals and infinitely many things bubbling in an…

Some think that electron is a string!

Let's argue about that when there's a modicum of evidence :)

Re: We are not mostly empty space

#33
Language is ambiguous and we are debating between two meanings of empty - nothing there or nothing there, but can be replaced with something else. And we have the added distraction of what nothing means - no physical, permanent “particles” or the abstract empty space.. We can go down the rabbit hole of parsing semantic meanings.

Re: We are not mostly empty space

#34
“Empty space” is a completely relative notion. If I have a heavy steel safe which I do not have the key for, whether there is an empty space inside it is irrelevant, and the space occupied by the safe cannot be seen as being (partially) empty in any practical sense.

Re: We are not mostly empty space

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post #34

“Empty space” is a completely relative notion. If I have a heavy steel safe which I do not have the key for, whether there is an empty space inside it is irrelevant, and the space occupied by the safe cannot be seen as being (partially) empty in any practical sense.

You can easily tell if it is hollow without opening it, however.

Re: We are not mostly empty space

#37

> Inside your body, you aren’t mostly empty space. You’re mostly a series of electron clouds, all bound together by the quantum rules that govern the entire Universe. So we are mostly electron clouds... and clouds by definition are mostly empty space.

@sporkologist > Inside your body, you aren’t mostly empty space. You’re mostly a series of electron clouds, all bound together by the quantum rules that govern the entire Universe. > So we are mostly electron clouds... and clouds by definition are mostly empty space. But empty space isn't .. er .. empty ...

Nor is it always a space (could be a tab).

Re: We are not mostly empty space

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How often do objects interact with our bodies when passing through us? Neutrinos, very rarely. The atoms of an aluminum bat, very commonly. Light? It depends. Something being "empty" or "full" all depends on spatial and energetic scale.

Yeah, the fact that neutrinos pass through us largely validates the notion that we are in fact mostly empty space.

Depending on the conditions, it is through that neutrinos can pass through even very degenerate matter like that which forms neutron stars. "Empty space" really doesn't mean all that much if the thing that is interacting with it does so weakly.

Re: We are not mostly empty space

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"The Medium is the Message" -- Marshall Mcluhan

What is it about Medium that produces less than stellar articles? Because it is a paid blogging service so people just blow out some smoke and hope to make a little money?

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