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Everyone's spying - US, China, Europe, Middle East, East. Some are lesser known to detain and try in secret courts (USA), others are known to do that rampantly (china)

On other countries, not on their own citizens with the intention of censoring and persecuting political crimes.

Big difference.

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post #118

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Yeah WhatsApp, Facebook, Reddit, Google Hangouts all banned in China. Pretty much anything not owned by a Chinese company, or anything that didn't go through all sorts of hoops to meet Chinese censorship criteria (and even then it's not a guarantee), is banned. Even github was banned until Chinese developers complained that it made their jobs impossible

I was aware basically every expat used a VPN/roaming cell service. Your home internet is unusable if you don't.

VPN's are becoming increasingly difficult to use.

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post #172

It's a feature not a bug. It was designed this way because it makes business sense. Why are Americans using WeChat I'm not sure.

Because it's the only way to communicate with 1/5 of the world's population?

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post #83

It's not just WeChat. They own stakes in many american media companies and movie production houses. They use this influence to also change our Media and push pro-Chinese propaganda to the American public.

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Don't insinuate shilling (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). If you read that comment again with more care you'll see it's not at all whataboutism (the "What about America doing xyz" type comment that tries to suggest criticism is invalid because behavior elsewhere).

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>For example, it’s impossible to send a message containing the link “joebiden.info” This is the first I've heard about this. Had a look at the site and the content loaded doesn't seem to be malicious (technically), just content on some questionable areas about Biden. What's going on here?

It's run by a person on Trump's campaign team: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/29/us/politics/fake-joe-bide... At the bottom it claims: "It is not paid for by any candidate, committee, organization, or PAC." While that may be technically true (it would be hard to verify), it's certainly misleading. I'm assuming because of that claim it runs afoul of FB's community standards.

In this way it's a little sneaky, because some criticisms on that website would likely be more of a dealbreaker for a democratic voter than they would for a Trump supporter, on average. Example: Republicans are probably more likely to support the death penalty.

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post #90

Honestly curious: knowing what everyone knows, why would any person who is not of Chinese origin, use WeChat? What's the use case?

While inside China, it is virtually impossible to work in any capacity, in any field, without using WeChat.

Outside China, it is the most reliable means of communication to people without access to unrestricted internet. This has become even more difficult within the past year with the blocking of Shadowsocks proxies. You are unlikely to have friends with the ability or knowledge to install v2ray+vmess+websocket+tls for a reliable, unrestricted connection.

Your next best option is Facetime/iMessage, in my experience.

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post #141

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The differences are: (1) with Facebook it's a private company doing the censoring and there's no issue with that, no First Amendment issues at all, unlike WeChat where the censoring is heavily linked to the government; (2) Facebook at least tells you when a message can't be sent but WeChat fails silently.

> it's a private company doing the censoring and there's no issue with that That's certainly not a universally agreed upon perspective. Just because you're a private company doesn't mean you can do anything you want (eg. discrimination), hence the existence of regulations.

Also many of us argue about the principle of free speech, not the literal text of the First Amendment.

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Superhero movies and blockbusters movies (and tv shows like Picard) always feature a part asian young character. I guess it helps their worldwide sales. Makes it easier to see the influence.

Wow, one character from a region that makes up 60% of the world's population? How radical. Next you'll be telling me that I should be worried because they included a black character and a female character. If anything, the fact that anyone considers this at all notable should be a sign of just how racially biased casting is in most Western media. The world isn't nearly as white as it looks on your TV.

The problem is that black female character has been replaced with a female asian character.

The diversity of Americans is not being represented anymore. Trying to sell to the Chinese market has unintended costs.

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post #185

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Wow, one character from a region that makes up 60% of the world's population? How radical. Next you'll be telling me that I should be worried because they included a black character and a female character. If anything, the fact that anyone considers this at all notable should be a sign of just how racially biased casting is in most Western media. The world isn't nearly as white as it looks on your TV.

yeah i literally dont get why the guy brought up race, they should be bringing up shit like video game companies making their black characters white to sell to china. or how about the basic example of blizzards fumbling of the pro hong kong competition winner last year

> i literally don't get why the guy brought up race

They brought up race because they were replying to a racist conspiracy theory amounting to them running Hollywood and pushing their agenda.

Hacker News is one of the few sites - others being Stormfront, Daily Stormer, 8chan - where that kind of shit still flies.

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