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Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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> I myself mostly use the following features from Keybase: Chat, KBFS, Git repositories and encrypting messages sent out-of-band via PGP in Keybase (and the various cryptographic tools [signing, validation etc]) While all these features are individually nice, I kinda started to worry about Keybase as a product when they started bolting on stuff like this. I think the key (pun intended) to stable & ongoing success in…

HN discussion about https://keys.pub from two weeks ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22995792

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#143
The Keybase acquisition is a reminder of the potential fragility of using centralized services (root servers, GitHub, CAs) to support decentralized tools (DNS, Git, TLS).

> ideally either FOSS or at least not run by a for-profit company

I agree with these aims, but ideally I’d hope for the alternatives to be decentralized as well.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Furthermore, 'Liking China but opposing CCP' is, in actuality, a statement that doesn't make much sense once you understand how the CCP - Chinese people relationship actually works: https://twitter.com/Bkerrychina/status/1253635970236375040 Taiwan and the Republic of China debunks this.

What sort of debunking are you referring to? Maybe you're talking about how Taiwan does not like the CCP. Correct. So let me be clear: when I said "Chinese people" I'm referring to mainlanders.

> So let me be clear: when I said "Chinese people" I'm referring to mainlanders.

You claim that all mainlanders like the CCP, which is a spurious claim given not only how impossible it is to generalize over such a huge group (including people the CCP is actively persecuting, such as Uyghurs!) but also because the CCP actively punishes people who speak against it.

Even aside from that, your conflation of "Chinese" and "mainlanders" and further conflation of "Chinese" and "mainlanders who like the CCP" is precisely what I'm talking about. It's improper, it's politically biased, and it destroys the conversation we're supposedly trying to have here.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is not a Chinese company. The founder merely was born in China. He is US citizen. I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric. Everything that even has a remote connection to China is now under suspicion. This is madness.

> I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric. It isn't anti-China, it's anti-PRC. The difference is obvious.

PRC = China for conversations regarding government policy and potential privacy violations and undue pressure on development. The same concerns could be had for software developed in the U.S. US Gov = U.S. for all intents and purposes with regard to this topic. Now you're just splitting hairs.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#146

Hi, I'm developing Bloom[0] which is an entirely FOSS encrypted[1] and offline-first (but with multi-devices sync!) productivity app which features Files, contacts, calendar and notes. So no chat nor Git, but everything else :) If you are interested in joining the (coming soon) beta, feel free to contact me: https://bloom.sh/contact [0] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom [1] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom/-/wikis/sec…

Nice, my only problem with it is that it's centralized.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is an authoritarian one-party state. There might be a difference, but it's pretty slim.

> China is an authoritarian one-party state. There might be a difference, but it's pretty slim. China is a culture with a very long history, like all cultures, and a diasporic population, not to mention all of the Chinese people under the rule of the Republic of China on Taiwan. Confusing the PRC with the entirety of Chinese people, Chinese culture, and China as a whole is rather similar to refusing to distinguish be…

Nobody is confusing Chinese people with the PRC. Stop muddying the waters of an important and policy impacting conversation.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#148

Chat: Pick one of the many available. telegram, signal, wickr etc etc KBFS: personally I switched to gpg encrypting important files on a NAS with encrypted backups to amazon glacier and backblaze. Git: gitlab, github, bitbucket (just to name a few) Encrypted messages out-of-band: Just use plain pgp/gpg

> Git: gitlab, github, bitbucket (just to name a few) None of those hide the contents of your repo from the company that's hosting it. I suppose self-hosted Gitlab hides it the same way that Keybase does (the company's software sees your repo, but it's not stored in plaintext on their disks)

Yes. I _love_ Keybase Git for instant, immediate, safe backups of private repos. Keybase Git has been an absolutely killer feature for me since it came out and I'll miss it terribly if Keybase-the-software takes a turn for the worse. Now is the time to ensure I've got everything properly backed up, I guess.

https://github.com/spwhitton/git-remote-gcrypt is probably the best alternative for now, but I'm wailing and gnashing my teeth at the prospect of going back to PGP keys. Maybe there's some way to intersect https://github.com/FiloSottile/age and a git remote.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

Having development in the US just means they'd have to be concerned about illicit US government interference. How is that an improvement? https://www.aclu.org/other/surveillance-under-usapatriot-act https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/earn-it-act-violates-c...

U.S. surveillance is ok if you're a US gov entity. Completely irrelevant to the question posed by GP.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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post #87
post #8

I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

Were you unaware that the founder of Zoom is an American or are you implying that the company is Chinese despite that?

Nobody implied this. Clearly stated was the concern of the majority of development being in the PRC impacting US government use of Keybase.
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