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Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by sasasassy »

neltnerb wrote: post #11
briandear wrote: post #4

This is being framed as a military issue, but the reality is that this would cause havoc with aviation as well, especially precision GPS approaches. Reminds me of a similar issue from 2012: https://www.gps.gov/news/2012/02/lightsquared/

I'm a little worried that GPS is so vulnerable that these satellites could cause such disruption to be honest. This is satellite based, any country could be approving this plan and the impact on GPS would still be present since orbits go everywhere. I guess I'd rather they just... not... I don't really even think the trade-off in increased seemingly real health risk is worth making the cell network even faster. It's…

Let me just point out that satellites don't necessarily orbit around the world. They can be geostationary, and in fact they usually are I think. That is why you will find most US GPS satellites over the US, most Russian satellites over Russia, etc.

Also, signal disruption is already very common as a necessary precaution at sensitive times and places. I think many military bases and other sensitive places, like the Kremlin, have signal interference so they are very imprecise to target with GPS-guided weapons.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by nxc18 »

antsar wrote: post #86
nxc18 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want 5G. There, you heard it. I’m not a telecom CEO and I’m not a politician. Edit: I want fast, reliable telecommunications everywhere I go. I want ultra fast reliable telecom in crowded cities. I want cellular that is competitive with cable internet. I want bandwidth available for IoT devices.

So you can exhaust the monthly high-speed data cap in 5 minutes instead of 5 days?

So I can use my mapping application when I’m in the park. So I can look up an earthquake that just happened when I’m in the lobby of a movie theater (that really happened, and the 4G network really is not capable of handling any sort of crowd at least not in my area).

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by dylan-m »

nxc18 wrote: post #80
_bxg1 wrote: post #45

I have yet to hear anyone who's not a telecom CEO or a politician say they actually want 5G

I want 5G. There, you heard it. I’m not a telecom CEO and I’m not a politician. Edit: I want fast, reliable telecommunications everywhere I go. I want ultra fast reliable telecom in crowded cities. I want cellular that is competitive with cable internet. I want bandwidth available for IoT devices.

These are reasonable, but what are these IoT devices and why can't they connect to your wifi, or to a zigbee network? Why do they need their own IP addresses?

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by whoopdedo »

jrockway wrote: post #38

I don't think there's enough detail here to decide whether or not to be mad. The L band is huge, 1000MHz-2000MHz. GPS uses a few tiny slices of this band. Cell phones, amateur radio, weather radar (though not precipitation-detection radar), ADS-B, and a ton of other non-military things are in that band. Adding 5G may or may not have any negative effect on GPS. I doubt they are proposing to run their 5G network on top…

> Did the FCC stop Amazon from importing these things?

Did you report it to the FCC so they'd know?

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by Ididntdothis »

brenden2 wrote: post #37
michaelcampbell wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, no "sheeple"?

You're making a joke, but I find it strange that people in the US aren't more skeptical of the government, especially the military and militarized police forces. To think the US is somehow unable to become a totalitarian state is naive. In Germany people didn't think it was going to happen either, many Germans didn't believe the atrocities were even happening and some remain in denial about them today.

If you take nazi Germany as an example you should be very worried about armed militias , not the official military.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by takeda »

nxc18 wrote: post #80
_bxg1 wrote: post #45

I have yet to hear anyone who's not a telecom CEO or a politician say they actually want 5G

I want 5G. There, you heard it. I’m not a telecom CEO and I’m not a politician. Edit: I want fast, reliable telecommunications everywhere I go. I want ultra fast reliable telecom in crowded cities. I want cellular that is competitive with cable internet. I want bandwidth available for IoT devices.

> I want cellular that is competitive with cable internet. I want bandwidth available for IoT devices.

It never will be though. Whatever frequencies you can do wirelessly you can do over a wire without the interference of other users using the same frequency at the same time.

Also a lot of promises 5G offers only sound good on paper. The higher frequencies don't travel well through walls (that's why it uses lower frequencies as well) and the maximum speed being talked can only be obtained during tests, but in the real deployment it has to be shared over all users.

Another problem is that the speeds don't mean sh*t if we have the same data caps, in fact higher speed is worse, because many applications will switch to a higher bitrate and consume more data, even when there's no noticeable difference on a phone.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by close04 »

nxc18 wrote: post #80
_bxg1 wrote: post #45

I have yet to hear anyone who's not a telecom CEO or a politician say they actually want 5G

I want 5G. There, you heard it. I’m not a telecom CEO and I’m not a politician. Edit: I want fast, reliable telecommunications everywhere I go. I want ultra fast reliable telecom in crowded cities. I want cellular that is competitive with cable internet. I want bandwidth available for IoT devices.

> I want 5G

You listed the theoretical advantages of 5G. Whether or not the practice mirrors theory is debatable. But I can't help but noticed you missed listing any disadvantage. Most people are completely unaware of any because they don't make it in the marketing leaflets.

When you say 5G I can just as well read: I want close range, LoS connections, substantially higher power consumption for devices and increased complexity, higher costs, security concerns, and the inability to take advantage of the speed not only because it's purely theoretical but because data plans did not keep up in 99.9% of the world.

Listing only benefits can make even an amputation sound like a great way to keep weight off. I'm all for new tech and advancements but if it feels like 1 step forward, 1 step back then it's not much of an advancement. It's half baked and pushed just to sell "the new stuff".

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by CNJ7654 »

brenden2 wrote: post #55
kube-system wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deterrence is hard to measure, but US military superiority correlates with a period of relatively low global conflict.

Maybe so, but the evidence is weak at best. Some wars (like Iraq, Korea, Vietnam) were a sham. I'd feel more comfortable knowing nobody had nuclear weapons.

>I'd feel more comfortable knowing nobody had nuclear weapons

I think we all would, they're terrifying devices. However, that ship has sailed. People know how to create nuclear weapons, and that information can never be removed from the world. The fact that these weapons CAN exist at all provides all the incentive a nation needs to create their own. The best we can do now is keep eachother in a perpetual Mexican standoff

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by wrkronmiller »

nxc18 wrote: post #92
antsar wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you can exhaust the monthly high-speed data cap in 5 minutes instead of 5 days?

So I can use my mapping application when I’m in the park. So I can look up an earthquake that just happened when I’m in the lobby of a movie theater (that really happened, and the 4G network really is not capable of handling any sort of crowd at least not in my area).

> the 4G network really is not capable of handling any sort of crowd at least not in my area

As someone living in NYC and using 4G daily with few problems, I suspect this is a problem of your telecom provider not having adequate infrastructure or having a bad configuration for handling many connections to a few nodes.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by TomMarius »

antsar wrote: post #86
nxc18 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want 5G. There, you heard it. I’m not a telecom CEO and I’m not a politician. Edit: I want fast, reliable telecommunications everywhere I go. I want ultra fast reliable telecom in crowded cities. I want cellular that is competitive with cable internet. I want bandwidth available for IoT devices.

So you can exhaust the monthly high-speed data cap in 5 minutes instead of 5 days?

That's my dream.
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