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Given the security concerns around Zoom, and the apparent lack of QC that might have prevented those concerns, this news is appalling. I love Keybase, it's used by many people, but I suspect it will now die a quick death. More accurately I suspect it will slide into a coma - not quite dead, but not in wide use anymore either.
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I essentially didn't have a private key prior to Keybase, and I think it's still the only place I use it, so I'll end up rolling a new one if Keybase becomes fundamentally untrustworthy.
They are fundamentally untrustworthy. They haven't taken security issues in the past very seriously, they also have ties to China.
This will possibly change over time though.
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> I miss the days when businesses existed not just to serve investors but also their employees and the common good Uh when was this? For-profit businesses have always been created for the primary purpose of making money. Any side effect like employee well being happened to coincide with what maximized profits at the time or due to regulation.
Pre-1970 or so. Before Milton Friedman, there was a general sense that companies existed to fulfill some mission, with profit as a means. The CEO of Kellogg commented on this in an interview ca. 1980, that money for a business is like a gasoline for a road trip. You need it to get where you're going, but the point of a road trip is not to accumulate as much gasoline as possible.
I'm a big fan of business and entrepreneurship, but let's be clear here: there is a reason we invented government. There was never a time when we could 100% count on the beneficence of business leaders to advance social goals.
Edit to add: I'm not trying to demonize all business leaders here. There are some bad actors, but even business leaders who desire to do well have to succeed in the marketplace--even against bad actors. Unfortunately, doing bad things in business often confers the benefit of lowering costs, which is a competitive advantage. This is a known structural issue with a marketplace economy and why we need more than just business to have a good society.
Given the security concerns around Zoom, and the apparent lack of QC that might have prevented those concerns, this news is appalling. I love Keybase, it's used by many people, but I suspect it will now die a quick death. More accurately I suspect it will slide into a coma - not quite dead, but not in wide use anymore either.
why not look at the problem the other way around? I don't have much respect for zoom's security practices, while I do have much respect for the keybase team. Perhaps this is Zoom's way of admitting that there is no way they can just solve the problem internally by keeping doing what they're doing and they need to get some fresh blood and build upon good practices designed outside their current culture.
I don't trust Zoom to be custodians of the Keybase company or software. This has been a real blow to my confidence in them and I'm not sure I'll continue to use Keybase :(
What we are seeing is that Zoom is truly concerned about how their security posture is hurting their business. Remember they aren't the only game in town and there are plenty of competitors. Buying Keybase is an investment in their culture and longterm outlook.
[2] https://github.com/peergos/peergos
[disclaimer: Peergos founder]
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Sounds like protonmail.
They’re vc funded?
The negativity here is astounding. This really comes down a company putting their money where their mouth is. Think about the reasons you'd decide to acquire Keybase. It certainly isn't for PR as most people have no idea what Keybase is. What we are seeing is that Zoom is truly concerned about how their security posture is hurting their business. Remember they aren't the only game in town and there are plenty of comp…
> Ultimately Keybase's future is in Zoom's hands Well, that definitely translates to uncertainty and ultimately the death of Keybase.
from Zoom's twitter: "We are excited to integrate Keybase’s team into the Zoom family to help us build end-to-end encryption that can reach current Zoom scalability." not a word about what happens to the existing technology which doesn't sound very reassuring to existing keybase users.