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Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by tracer4201 »

Is it correct to say that this impacts GPS not only for the American civilian and military but also the rest of the world?

What are other country’s thoughts? It would be interesting to learn what led the FCC to make the decision they did... how did they deem the safety or consequences of this decision, etc. hopefully it’s not driven purely by profit incentives that put lives at stake.

Disclaimer: I have no background on GPS, whichever wave “band” the issue impacts, or much of any technical understanding of the topic at all. Casual observer.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by HenryKissinger »

brenden2 wrote: post #15

It's in the military's interest to limit the freedom and empowerment of the public as much as possible. I would take their opinions with a grain of salt. With that said, this seems like something that can be easily solved with technology improvements.

> It's in the military's interest to limit the freedom and empowerment of the public as much as possible.

This is an unfair view. The National Defense Strategy states:

> Without sustained and predictable investment to restore readiness and modernize our military to make it fit for our time, we will rapidly lose our military advantage, resulting in a Joint Force that has legacy systems irrelevant to the defense of our people.

And

> Another change to the strategic environment is a resilient, but weakening, post-WWII international order. In the decades after fascism’s defeat in World War II, the United States and its allies and partners constructed a free and open international order to better safeguard their liberty and people from aggression and coercion.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by dralley »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #17

Is this even actually directly related to 5G? I mean a mobile phone can’t connect directly to space satellite right? The article says “Would allow telecom companies to deploy 5G networks”. Is this satellite network for doing connnections between cell sites maybe? If that’s the case, it feels like 5G is only tangentially related and only included in story for click bait given that people seem to want to get mad about…

You're right, although Ligado's intent seems to be to develop 5G networks on this piece of spectrum.

It doesn't have much relation to the current 5G ecosystem however.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by mytailorisrich »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #17

Is this even actually directly related to 5G? I mean a mobile phone can’t connect directly to space satellite right? The article says “Would allow telecom companies to deploy 5G networks”. Is this satellite network for doing connnections between cell sites maybe? If that’s the case, it feels like 5G is only tangentially related and only included in story for click bait given that people seem to want to get mad about…

Indeed, the issue here is a company, Ligado, that plans to use the L-band spectrum.

As this is the part of the spectrum that GPS uses, the Pentagon worries about interferences.

This has nothing to do with 5G, the cellular standard, per se, and even even less with Huawei or China.

Edit:

In fact, cellular networks like 4G and 5G ones rely on GPS for correct synchronisation and interfering with GPS could have an impact on them. Just to illustrates that this is a really a spectrum allocation issue regarding potential interferences, this is not a 5G issue.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by icegreentea2 »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #17

Is this even actually directly related to 5G? I mean a mobile phone can’t connect directly to space satellite right? The article says “Would allow telecom companies to deploy 5G networks”. Is this satellite network for doing connnections between cell sites maybe? If that’s the case, it feels like 5G is only tangentially related and only included in story for click bait given that people seem to want to get mad about…

Ligado (ex-lightsquare) product is a hybrid satellite terrestrial network. The specific component that people are concerned about is their terrestrial network which is very much a 5G creature (in so much at Ligado is marketing themselves and this approval as a step forward for 5G and IoT).

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by brenden2 »

HenryKissinger wrote: post #22
brenden2 wrote: post #15

It's in the military's interest to limit the freedom and empowerment of the public as much as possible. I would take their opinions with a grain of salt. With that said, this seems like something that can be easily solved with technology improvements.

> It's in the military's interest to limit the freedom and empowerment of the public as much as possible. This is an unfair view. The National Defense Strategy states: > Without sustained and predictable investment to restore readiness and modernize our military to make it fit for our time, we will rapidly lose our military advantage, resulting in a Joint Force that has legacy systems irrelevant to the defense of our…

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Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by vajrabum »

brenden2 wrote: post #26
HenryKissinger wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's in the military's interest to limit the freedom and empowerment of the public as much as possible. This is an unfair view. The National Defense Strategy states: > Without sustained and predictable investment to restore readiness and modernize our military to make it fit for our time, we will rapidly lose our military advantage, resulting in a Joint Force that has legacy systems irrelevant to the defense of our…

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OK, but Nazi Germany if you'll read some history was not ever a military takeover.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by mytailorisrich »

icegreentea2 wrote: post #25
Negitivefrags wrote: post #17

Is this even actually directly related to 5G? I mean a mobile phone can’t connect directly to space satellite right? The article says “Would allow telecom companies to deploy 5G networks”. Is this satellite network for doing connnections between cell sites maybe? If that’s the case, it feels like 5G is only tangentially related and only included in story for click bait given that people seem to want to get mad about…

Ligado (ex-lightsquare) product is a hybrid satellite terrestrial network. The specific component that people are concerned about is their terrestrial network which is very much a 5G creature (in so much at Ligado is marketing themselves and this approval as a step forward for 5G and IoT).

It's not a 5G issue, it's a spectrum allocation issue.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by reubenmorais »

tracer4201 wrote: post #21

Is it correct to say that this impacts GPS not only for the American civilian and military but also the rest of the world? What are other country’s thoughts? It would be interesting to learn what led the FCC to make the decision they did... how did they deem the safety or consequences of this decision, etc. hopefully it’s not driven purely by profit incentives that put lives at stake. Disclaimer: I have no background…

The company wants to build a 5G network in the US, so it would affect GPS in the US. It's interference at the receiver, not at the GPS satellites themselves.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by brenden2 »

vajrabum wrote: post #27
brenden2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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OK, but Nazi Germany if you'll read some history was not ever a military takeover.

The transition was "democratic" yes, but it became a fascist state operated by the military.
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