Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
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Re: Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
#12The problem I have with studies like this one is that they only measure the effects of getting a stipend during a limited amount of time with a limited amount of people. It's not universal and it's not basic. From a non-scientific view point, of course giving people free money makes them feel better. But from an experimental perspective, they aren't getting the 'full package' of UBI. The participants aren't seeing in…
> The problem I have with studies like this one is that they only measure the effects of getting a stipend during a limited amount of time with a limited amount of people. It's not universal and it's not basic. You have to start somewhere before being "universal" and "basic".
this study does not represent a step forward, however.
Re: Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are correct. People also don't seem to take up fulfilling and meaningful jobs /w low wages even with basic income support. One of the arguments in Finland was that basic income would encourage and enable people to take on meaningful & important NGO jobs and community efforts despite their low pay.
Maybe they volunteer? Maybe they turn to hobbies and music? Maybe they have a life? Not everybody measures the success of UBI as "How many folks can we keep slaving away"
> Maybe they volunteer? Maybe they turn to hobbies and music? Maybe they have a life?
... and maybe they want that funded by other people doing the work. Sounds like medieval nobility to me.
Re: Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
#14UBI should be coupled with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-actualization
Re: Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
#15The problem I have with studies like this one is that they only measure the effects of getting a stipend during a limited amount of time with a limited amount of people. It's not universal and it's not basic. From a non-scientific view point, of course giving people free money makes them feel better. But from an experimental perspective, they aren't getting the 'full package' of UBI. The participants aren't seeing in…
> The problem I have with studies like this one is that they only measure the effects of getting a stipend during a limited amount of time with a limited amount of people. It's not universal and it's not basic. You have to start somewhere before being "universal" and "basic".
And that's fair. But experimentally I would like to see the effects measured for a whole town, a city, or even a county.
Re: Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
#16The problem I have with studies like this one is that they only measure the effects of getting a stipend during a limited amount of time with a limited amount of people. It's not universal and it's not basic. From a non-scientific view point, of course giving people free money makes them feel better. But from an experimental perspective, they aren't getting the 'full package' of UBI. The participants aren't seeing in…
> The problem I have with studies like this one is that they only measure the effects of getting a stipend during a limited amount of time with a limited amount of people. It's not universal and it's not basic. You have to start somewhere before being "universal" and "basic".
What are you studying in that case? "Income"? We could look at trust fund kids to see whether getting income without doing anything makes them want to work in otherwise not attractive jobs.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe they volunteer? Maybe they turn to hobbies and music? Maybe they have a life? Not everybody measures the success of UBI as "How many folks can we keep slaving away"
> Maybe they volunteer? Maybe they turn to hobbies and music? Maybe they have a life? ... and maybe they want that funded by other people doing the work. Sounds like medieval nobility to me.
Be as cynical as you like. But people's lives are their own. Decades ago we dreamed of the day automation took the yoke of labor from our shoulders. Now that it's approaching, all anybody can think about is "Keep the lower class working! God forbid they have a life!"
Re: Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
#18> "Aimed primarily at seeing whether a guaranteed income might encourage people to take up often low-paid or temporary work without fear of losing benefits" Turns out people do not, in fact, generally want to take precarious or otherwise unattractive jobs unless forced to economically. Who'd a thunk?
But still:
>"The researchers also noted a mild positive effect on employment, particularly in certain categories, such as families with children"
at least says something.
Re: Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
#19> "Aimed primarily at seeing whether a guaranteed income might encourage people to take up often low-paid or temporary work without fear of losing benefits" Turns out people do not, in fact, generally want to take precarious or otherwise unattractive jobs unless forced to economically. Who'd a thunk?
N = 81 here also, so it's not really a full picture of what "universal" would be.
Re: Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
#20Analysis of data from the Canadian Mincome experiment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome) by Evelyn Forget showed more concrete benefits. People's health improved: "Forget found that in the period that Mincome was administered, hospital visits dropped 8.5 percent, with fewer incidents of work-related injuries, and fewer emergency room visits from accidents and injuries. Forget also compared proportions of women with children and suggested lower lifetime fertility as a possible outcome by comparing birth rates of young mothers with those of a control group. Additionally, the period saw a reduction in rates of psychiatric hospitalization, and in the number of mental illness-related consultations with health professionals."