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How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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Re: How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most important service: instant money transfer (mostly) irrespective of physical location. I had one use-case this week where paypal would not work. I needed to withdraw the amount I was to be paid by my client and paypal has a $400/day ATM limit. So I asked the client to see if he can pay directly to my bank. The obvious solution is wire. Of course, my client happens to be in a state that didn't have his busines…

This is what Western Union is for.

Paying $90 for an inter-US money transfer is a bit outrageous so they priced out.

Re: How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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post #53

Can anyone please explain what's why PayPal (and other payment processors?) cannot afford accepting payments on behalf of others?

The intermediary has little control over the quality and delivery of the product being sold, and must be trusted to pay the third party. The risk of chargebacks and fraud is higher thus PayPal cannot afford to underwrite the transactions.

Re: How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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I've stopped being surprised at this genre of story showing up - on HN or elsewhere. This story basically serves to illustrate a couple of things about Paypal that are definitely salient, but haven't changed in years. * Banks are still shitty and unwilling to actually compete, so Paypal has its market all to itself. * Because Paypal does not fear disruption or competition, it is not worth their time to invest in good…

I've been through the PayPal wringer (account frozen, then limited) and actually found the customer service to be stellar. I had a dedicated case agent who gave me his direct line, and he was always available and always polite. There's a lot to hate about PayPal, but my impression is they have put quite a lot of effort into customer service.

The employees, as people, probably do want to provide good customer service!

There are other good points in this thread about PayPal's risk mitigation model. I think that this basically deepens the parallel to Google. When the service works, it's genuinely great - that's part of why they're such a dominant force. The problem is that when it breaks, generally it breaks in horrid ways. People like the HN crowd, who are strongly disposed towards trying to do new things that previous models may not account for, are the most likely to find cases where the system breaks, and to suffer the effects of the breakage.

Re: How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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Wow, incredibly timely- this is EXACTLY what we've been going through for the last two weeks. EXACTLY.

The problem with PayPal is that there is absolutely "0" real customer support. We were labeled as a "money transfer service"- even though that's not our business- and had our acct suspended. Our site isn't public yet, we were just testing live payments as opposed to the already completed sandbox tests. We thought we'd be ok since we modeled our pay structure similar to a few others we had seen.

When you call PayPal, you get a nice enough customer service rep- friendly but really doesn't know anything. They put a "note" on our acct to have someone higher up call us back...and that's when the real fun begins.

If you're lucky enough to have the rep call you (we're like 2/7), you can get some limited info. If you miss the call, or have an additional question after the fact, you have to go through the first level of general cust. service and hope that someone will call you back. No left messages, no other phone number you can call, definitely no dedicated rep. it's taking weeks out of our production dev time.

What makes this mockery of service so severe is that our business depends on buyers paying sellers. We got a form email letting us know of our general "violation", but no specifics. It's up to us to interpret what exactly violates their policies. Thanks to this article, and everyone's comments, I do understand some areas where we possibly made an error- which I take responsibility for- but without a definite response we won't know if we accidentally violate it again when we spend more to retool our system.

It's ridiculous.

Re: How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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I cash several tens of thousands Euro every year in Paypal, since 2003 I guess. I have legitimate business in Germany and the money is deposits for apartments reservations. I have never done anything illegal, never had a dispute with a customer, never, ever created a problem for them. Nevertheless they freeze my account once every 2 months. They ask me a few papers, I send thema and if I'm lucky in a few days it's re…

if you travel internationally, always log in to a VPN that makes you appear to come from your home country before logging in to paypal. Preferably a VPN hosted on your own infrastructure that makes you look like you are logging in from the same ISP you always log in from.

The only time my paypal has ever been frozen it was because someone who worked for me logged in from Vietnam. I set them up with a VPN, and never had problems again.

Re: How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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I've been resisting the urge to market my startup as a PayPal alternative, because we're really focused on payments for in-person retail sales (largely to avoid competing with PayPal), but this is probably the fifth or sixth PayPal-froze-my-account posting I've seen on Hacker News and they all seem to garner enormous amounts of sympathy from readers. We've also built all of the infrastructure you'd need to do interne…

I think the only way to get around the awfulness of the payment systems is to break completely from the extant banking system and to find a way to define yourself outside of the normal regulatory definition. It's just too restrictive to allow us to do anything we want if you have to work with VISA or MC or even just follow the normal legal procedures necessary for a bank. Really there's no reason transferring money shouldn't be super easy and simple, and cost barely anything, except that banks like money and they like using regulation to stop new competition and innovation.

Re: How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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Paypal is a classic example of a fossilized bureaucracy: 1) The departments within Paypal are unable to share information, alert each other of status, or become aware of what they are each doing. The first clue that this is happening inside an organization is the requirement to submit (or resubmit) the same information multiple times. 2) Complete inflexibility. If you don't fit a pigeonhole profile of previously defi…

Why doesn't some start-up address this head-on? Providing a payment provider solution to selected customers, ones that have been carefully screened but are treated well after the initial investigation so long as they behave, would surely help out a lot of start-ups.

Maybe it's more trouble than it's worth, though, but I just want to believe!

Re: How to Get PayPal to Freeze Your Account in Four Easy Steps

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post #65
post #49

I cash several tens of thousands Euro every year in Paypal, since 2003 I guess. I have legitimate business in Germany and the money is deposits for apartments reservations. I have never done anything illegal, never had a dispute with a customer, never, ever created a problem for them. Nevertheless they freeze my account once every 2 months. They ask me a few papers, I send thema and if I'm lucky in a few days it's re…

if you travel internationally, always log in to a VPN that makes you appear to come from your home country before logging in to paypal. Preferably a VPN hosted on your own infrastructure that makes you look like you are logging in from the same ISP you always log in from. The only time my paypal has ever been frozen it was because someone who worked for me logged in from Vietnam. I set them up with a VPN, and never h…

Thanks for the tip!
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