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Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by filmgirlcw »

mikewhy wrote: post #72
minimaxir wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's plausible, given that VS Code is effectively a web app. (the exception in features could be Extensions) Not the first IDE to have full-feature parity on desktop and web.

Given that a locally running VS Code can interact with the host system, and a webpage cannot, I'm sure there will be some differences between the two. And like you said, the exception in features could be extensions. If that's the case, it's not "the full Visual Studio Code experience". (Not to take away from their announcement, it's very interesting and I've joined the wait list, just this type of absolute wording i…

Well, the web app is interacting with a host system too — the host just happens to be different than your web browser environment.

I mean, yes, there are some differences between the two (and keep in mind you can also access a Codespace via a locally installed copy of VS Code in a remote development environment, where the remote dev environment is the Codespace VM), but as far as I know, there are very few differences between how a remote environment locally works vs a remote environment using the browser-hosted editor.

You’re correct when you say there are differences, but I still feel like “full” experience is accurate. Full doesn’t have to mean 1:1 copy. To me it just means aren’t losing out on something.

I work at Microsoft on Azure but not on VS Codespaces or GH Codespaces. I’m just a fan/user of both.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by eloff »

skrtskrt wrote: post #91
swagonomixxx wrote: post #60

This is pretty epic. VS Code has proven itself to be one of the best (if not the best) and feature-complete editor out there. It's basically an IDE of a ton of languages at this point, and it's completely free. Integrating it with GH is a no-brainer move from Microsoft's standpoint, to increase market share even further with more seamless integration. If they're able to do setup for Python, Go, Ruby, and JavaScript p…

While VS Code is definitely good in general, and first choice for languages like JavaScript, I find it really hard to compare it to JetBrains PyCharm and GoLand (understanding GoLand has no free version). The debugging and refactoring experiences for Go and Python in VSCode feel slow, awkward to set up and configure and just generally tacked-on. I have gotten the PyCharm professional and GoLand licensed through my em…

I pay for the full JetBrains subscription. While I still use vscode for typescript and rust, I use JetBrains for anything else. It's one of those no brainer purchases that pays for itself within a month.

Programmers create enormous value. If you can get even small single digit percentage improvements by leveraging better tooling, it pays for itself almost right away.

I estimate conservatively I produce $500,000 in value a year. If I can eke out a 1% improvement in productivity that's worth $5000 a year.

I think it's a big blind spot that developers don't invest enough in.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by JoyrexJ9 »

vlunkr wrote: post #89
swagonomixxx wrote: post #60

This is pretty epic. VS Code has proven itself to be one of the best (if not the best) and feature-complete editor out there. It's basically an IDE of a ton of languages at this point, and it's completely free. Integrating it with GH is a no-brainer move from Microsoft's standpoint, to increase market share even further with more seamless integration. If they're able to do setup for Python, Go, Ruby, and JavaScript p…

> if not the best Them's fightin' words. But on a more serious note, I think 50% is a massive overestimation. We haven't seen pricing. Unless MS is willing to take a huge loss on this there's no way it will be free. We all know the resources required to run a modern web app in development mode. I can certainly see this being useful if you happen to be away from your dev machine, or if you just want to contribute to s…

I don't think anyone would suggest this a full time replacement for your dev environment and IDE

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by suyash »

reggieband wrote: post #150

Microsoft is really the best at the slow strategic burn. * You host your project in github * You fund your project using github sponsors * You develop your project using github codespaces * You compile, test and deploy using github actions * You cloud host on azure Each individual feature is definitely great. I'm not trying to be critical of Microsoft trying to turn their investment in github into a profitable busine…

Yup all the free stuff is ultimately to lead us into using and paying for Azure. Need an open source alternative to GitHub.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

danso wrote: post #143

I remember listening to Nathan Sobo, one of the founders/creators of Atom, talking to The Changelog in 2017 about creating Atom and his goal/dream to make it a collaborative editor, i.e. Google Docs for code [0]. He didn't have a timeline but he had done research into it: > That’s definitely something I wanna do; that’s not really in progress yet. I did a bunch of research in that area, so that I can’t really put a t…

I had a short chat with some members of the VSCode python extension team to give feedback on their product. They wanted to know how much I’d value collaborative editing in VSCode. They’re definitely thinking about it.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by jankeromnes »

searchableguy wrote: post #120
meysholdt wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> would love remote IDE tooling hosted on their premise so sounds exactly like what Gitpod self-hosted is for: https://www.gitpod.io/blog/gitpod-self-hosted-0.4.0/

Yeah but does it come with github or azure enterprise package? No.

This sounds like good feedback. What do you mean by "github or azure enterprise package"?

I think Gitpod Self-Hosted was successfully installed on GCP, AWS, and Azure, and we're working on documenting the process.

It also works with self-managed GitHub and GitLab installations (with Bitbucket coming soon).

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by zaksoup »

Will this support Teletype style multi-cursor collaboration? I'm very excited about this for easy dev environment setup but if it had easy collaboration it would be immediately adoptable at my org for pair programming while we're all pandemic-remote.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by filmgirlcw »

AaronFriel wrote: post #73
iddan wrote: post #62

The more Microsoft move from Azure to GitHub the better

Where do you think these VMs are hosted? :) I hope they allow BYO-remote backend for compliance reasons. This feature seems amazing but I cannot use it.

We do!

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/online/how-to/...

(I work on Azure but not on this product)

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