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I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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The grit discourse is mostly about attributing poverty to individuals, rather than as an effect of the system as a whole.

Could poverty not be an effect of both?

“Grit” is just about which people get sorted into he poverty bin, not how big the poverty bin is.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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post #79

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Thanks for that. I have often thought that boy, I would really have suffered had I been born in medieval or Roman times because I don't know what I would've done if I didn't work in IT. I would describe the feeling as guilt, and it took me some time to just accept that things are the way they are.

Ancient Rome is legendary for engineering. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_engineering There is this notion I see going around that in the past people survived by being brutish animals and smart people would have died quick. In fact, it's the opposite. We outcompeted other animals because we are NOT like them. Because we engineer. In a hunter gatherer society someone who builds traps, designs better huts or tents…

What you say is true.

The thing is just that I've been obsessed with computers my whole life and can't imagine myself being, for example, an aqueduct engineer or a blacksmith.

Where Buffet's quote struck a chord is that I'm thankful that society allows me to do what I love, but I should stay mindful that not all people have those opportunities.

I suppose a different way to look at it is that had I lived in a time before computers I wouldn't have known what I was missing out on, so there's that.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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post #79

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Thanks for that. I have often thought that boy, I would really have suffered had I been born in medieval or Roman times because I don't know what I would've done if I didn't work in IT. I would describe the feeling as guilt, and it took me some time to just accept that things are the way they are.

I figure without tech, I'd be a monk or clerk.

From what I gather, the actual monk-monks in your average abbey, the ones doing the routine of daily prayers and reading & writing in an established and bookish order, were largely children of aristocrats or otherwise well-off. There were very few of these relative to the total population. The rest of the folks living at an abbey lived some of the routine but were largely excluded from the life of study and learning, instead doing manual labor to keep the place running. They were usually classified as something less than full brothers/sisters. Most weren't literate and there was typically no serious program or intention to make them so.

Yes there were exceptions and various orders work differently, but talking about in general and during times when there were quite a few—though still not that many—full-on monastics sitting around writing commentaries on Augustine and such. Some orders took a work-and-prayer approach for everyone to keep their order afloat, but those generally seem not to have lasted long before morphing into collecting rents and relying on patrons. Turns out it's really hard to have a life of the mind & spirit without a bunch of other people working to support you—if you're doing the necessary work yourself, it's all you have time for, meanwhile a competing order nearby's adding a wing to their abbey with the money they're collecting from a share of a mill, rents on three commercial properties in town, and 30 acres of land worked by peasants, their wine cellar is full, and their abbot has significant influence in the court of the Duke. So. Maybe that seems like a better idea.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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post #8

It is impossible to be really good at everything.... when I optimized for work, my fitness goals went through the window. When I optimized to get a project done, my reading (books) went down as well. When I optimized for fitness (working out and soccer), my work and side projects started progressing slower. It is very hard to work on your project at home, when you are in a intense bulking, or 'cutting' phase, and onc…

This has been my experience as well.

I find it interesting that I've been given many compliments in life for "how good I am at so many things" -- but it's all come down to this rotation. I dive very, very deeply into an activity for a few months or year and get to a point where my maintenance-mode is higher than other people's "high" point.

Sometimes I cycle these, I've gone to fitness a number of times and hit some incredible goals, then go to photography, then to dancing, then back to fitness.

It _does_ mean that I try to optimize my activities to be inclusive -- if I can do an activity that both keeps me physically fit and provides social benefit, and has the potential for extra income -- I might stick with it longer.

I also favor activities that give me lasting benefit when I am not paying attention, such as investing, photography, or writing (all of which continue to exist or build money or followers when I stop). This allows me to focus in other areas while still "growing" in a different field.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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post #8

It is impossible to be really good at everything.... when I optimized for work, my fitness goals went through the window. When I optimized to get a project done, my reading (books) went down as well. When I optimized for fitness (working out and soccer), my work and side projects started progressing slower. It is very hard to work on your project at home, when you are in a intense bulking, or 'cutting' phase, and onc…

Cutting & bulking is not fitness, it's muscle building for appearance and status.

A good level of fitness can be achieved and maintained with an hour of separate core and aerobic exercise per day. You might not look like the guys in Men's Health but you'll probably swim a hell of a lot better than them.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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post #35

It is not important to work hard, it is important to be happy. Stop glorifying the act of working, please.

> It is not important to work hard, it is important to be happy

There's a reason that none of the major religions or ancient philosophers share this outlook. It's because a society that elevates the personal happiness of the individual above all else necessarily becomes self destructive.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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...and that's why he also said on Monday: "If you took someone and asked them, without them knowing whether they'd be born boy or girl, black or white, with or without any relevant talent, or to rich or poor parents, and asked them when and where they'd like to be born. They'd answer, 'The US, in modern times'. There is no place on Earth, and no time in history, that a person can make the most of their talents, as to…

That sounds like a very mid 20th century POV. Which I totally get for Buffett. Most rankings of social mobility put the US outside the top 20. The highs are higher here, but the path to get there, especially from the bottom 10%, is more difficult than almost any country we consider a peer.

I would be interested in how the US mobility fared if the metric was not %, put purchasing parity. I imagine it is better to go from the bottom 10% to 20% in the US than bottom 10 to top 10 in many counties.

After all, an income of 15k (ppp) puts someone in the top 10% globally and 30k is the top 1%

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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post #96

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Indeed. Also, nobody posts their failures online. You only see success, and the path to that success is hidden or even misrepresented (“I made this in an afternoon!” ... and 5 years working 8h/day on the necessary skills).

I've started to make a conscious effort to post about my failures on Twitter specifically to help address that a bit, especially when they're hilariously bad (e.g. crashing a model airplane 3 seconds into its flight). Naturally, I've been failing at doing this consistently :)

I'm starting to find that people making posts about their failures offer me more value than people who post about their success. Reading them usually helps me be less hard on myself, and also sometimes provide insights into how to avoid such pitfalls myself in the future

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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post #89

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Why do you think he's a parasite? He seems to live a modest life, and work very hard to make the economy work more efficiently. He's giving almost all of his money to philanthropic causes, and seems to campaign for all the right causes. He maintains a pretty low profile for his level of success (he doesn't even support philanthropy through his own family foundation; he went with Gates, since he thought they'd do a be…

I think his claim to be a beneficial 'allocator of capital' is bogus. He tends to invest in established exploitative companies. His investments have been made on an almost exclusive basis of growing wealth, which in the end is a very sterile end to aim for. > I'll tell you why I like the cigarette business. It costs a penny to make. Sell it for a dollar. It's addictive. And there's fantastic brand loyalty. — Buffett,…

>I think his claim to be a beneficial 'allocator of capital' is bogus. He tends to invest in established exploitative companies. His investments have been made on an almost exclusive basis of growing wealth, which in the end is a very sterile end to aim for.

How do you separate this from a more general critique of capitalism? How should capital allocation work?

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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I've never thought of myself as being particularly "gritty" in anything; for me personally, mediocrity is good enough. I'm boring in that I get up and go to bed at reasonable times, in that I play video games for a couple hours at most, then I think I've had enough. I'm not trying to humblebrag, it's not something I do conscientiously, my main point here is that not excelling, not "doing your best" is also fine. In a…

This sort of "marathon" thinking isn't appreciated enough. You'll learn and do more with 10 hours/week of something for 10 years than 60 hours/week of something for 6 months. The latter severely underestimates the long term cognitive and sheer physical burden of intense effort. Unless you are pursuing something that has an age or time factor (say, professional sports), I truly believe it's better to be a "marathon ru…

Most professional athletes have about 20 years of practice before peaking (maybe around 15 in sports where the athletes peak younger such as gymnastics). When you see Eliud Kipchoge or Alex Honnold's achievements in their 30s being celebrated, you don't see them at 15 years old at regional competitions being average-among-the-decent.
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