A little disappointed it’s not the rumoured 14” model as I’ve been looking to replace both my 15” and 13” MacBooks. Also, regarding other comments on “just” the 4 core CPU - it’s probably all they could squeeze in without having to redesign the chassis/thermal design. I’m going to hold off for a tear down to see if they have improved the cooling system like they did (Or claimed to) with the 16” version.
I’ve always found the 13” Pros to be the “worst of both worlds” compromise. You don’t get the svelte lightness of the Air, or the generous desktop or raw power of the big boy. Whatever your priority is, it’s just not there. A 14” screen would have at least differentiated the product. I think a lot of these are bought by corporate bean counters and people who assume that Airs must be awful if they’re the most affordab…
New 13-inch MacBook Pro
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Having used a '15 (I think) 13" Pro for two internships, I actually found it met my needs really well. I personally can't stand any 14"+ laptop, so the 13" Pro hit a great spot for me of being: * Svelte enough to watch Netflix in bed with or throw in my bag to take on a commute * Powerful enough that I never had major performance issues when plugged in at my desk at work, driving an external monitor I look back on th…
right, but have you used the Air? It's much nicer for similar performance.
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Yeah - I've a MPB 15" 2017 and it is also the worst laptop I've ever owned. And it was to replace the MBP that was recalled (long after Apple had denied to me there was any problem and I'd sold it for parts on eBay). Nothing works on this machine! Bits literally fall off! I've got Applecare so the (horrible) keyboard has been replaced, the motherboard, the screen - on and on and on. Laptop of Theseus. I think it's co…
I have the same model and mine is also riddled with problems, and I have trouble finding stable work arounds for. With older laptops (PC or mac) if enough parts break I could either go remote headless server or tee-pee it on the ground with an attached and pretend it's a desktop. Every part of the MBP has some sort of problem so nothing works. I just have to deal with something eventually failing after an hour or so…
Sometimes you get a lemon - that's one thing, but this is a whole generation of machines. That seems new... Well, saying that: I had a 2006 iBook - the black one - and the battery ran so hot I still have the scar on my thigh (geek trophy!). Apple denied there was an issue with that machine, too, and the recall came way too late. So I guess it's a pattern and not a new thing, really.
Maybe the new thing is that I am actually genuinely tempted by the Surface. In 2006 there were no contenders.
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#974I am switching to XPS 13 developer edition. Goodbye Apple.
Hello Linux and a menu key on my keyboard. The greatest key that no one knows about.
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#975Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro
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I guess the actual, underlying problem is, the Touchbar is bad UX for a bunch of software engineers, but pretty great for most everyone else. Think about it – you lose some keys you never really had a use for anyway except as media keys, and you get almost analogue-ish volume and brightness controls, apps can give you context-dependent options that are really discoverable (which F-keys totally aren't) and can adapt t…
The problem with function keys vs touchbar could have been fixed by embedding a small lcd in each key, or in a border above them. Its not like mac's have a shortage of vertical keyboard space given how much they waste on the trackpad. That way you keep people happy who aren't looking down at the keys, and you give new users/etc nice graphics to help describe what the buttons do.
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Dang I'm the total opposite. 1 round in the Apple ecosystem and I'd never touch their products again. I can't understand the appeal outside the marketing gimmicks.
It sounds like a number of things p *ed you off, but what was your biggest gripe with the Apple stuff? Or perhaps it was everything (!).
And they lacked features I was used to. I hear they finally got widgets, so that I suppose is solved.
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I don't see how that's a negative. The Touch Bar still has an ESC segment that works exactly the same as the button and literally no one in any of the companies that I've worked with that's not a developer has ever had an issue with it while simultaneously finding the Touch Bar far more useful than unlabelled function keys.
I'm glad Apple disagrees with you and is no longer making computers which lack a physical escape key. I got used to it pretty quickly, and I've had press-Alt mapped to Esc for many years. It was always annoying, and the 16" with a physical Esc is much nicer. Now all Apple has to do is add some haptic feedback to the damnable thing and I'll actually like it.
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The Apple list is shorter because you ignored nearly all of the differentiating features enabled by the Apple ecosystem. You also ignored many of the non-obvious details of the Mac hardware.
I did a similar comparison a few years ago and had a very similar list and came to the same conclusion (about $500 more for the Apple, but it was probably worth it in known reliability and resale). The only thing I would have added was that Apple's camera quality hasn't improved in 10+ years, which sucks if you're working remote (hopefully now everyone notices this). A lot of the hardware things I liked about Mac lap…
FaceTime, iPhone, sms/iMessage integration that works even when phone is not nearby.
T2 chip/Secure Enclave.
Easier to use full disk encryption.
Note’s built in capability to encrypt specific notes with a private, unrecoverable password.
Faster system software updates.
Most apps shipping as DMG rather than installer packages, which allows me to install them without granting admin rights.
Family members who have macs ask me for help far less than those with windows.
The trackpad is vastly superior. I actually prefer thinkpad-style trackpoints, but thinkpads aren’t what they used to be. The Mac trackpad feels good to touch, the taptic full-pad pseudo-clicking is superior to physical button presses, and the multi-pressure level support is occasionally useful. The gestures work well and feel natural.
Find my Mac/iPod/iPhone is implemented in a privacy preserving method. It’s also super useful to be able to simply say to my laptop “hey Siri, where is my phone?” to have it trigger the audio beacon.
The speakers on the new 16” MBP are excellent. I use my headphones much less now.
I love the look of Macbook monitors more than most pc laptop monitors. Of course, some pc laptops have comparable or exactly the same panel, but the price goes up pretty fast.
Photos is an imperfect replacement for Picasa (RIP). However it has some features my family loves, like automatically figuring out groups of related events and generating movies from photos of family trips, then surprising me with a phone notification.
Many of the built in apps feature end-to-end encryption.
I feel like windows 10 is always spying on me. I have to spend hours configuring a fresh windows install to turn off all the garbage. Not signing into a Microsoft account with windows 10 causes all kinds of limitations, like not being able use fingerprint readers.
The microphone array on the new MBP works very well such a shame it wasn’t paired with a better camera.
Access to a terminal. I spend most of my time in vim. WSL just isn’t comparable (yet) in terms of integration and ease of use.
There are also things that are much worse about macs, but that aren’t dealbreakers for me:
Horrible software quality, going back decades, in ways that really matter. The only times I’ve ever lost data due to software is when OSX corrupted a drive. Backups are vital, and they must be stored on non-Apple devices/services. This is a hidden cost no one ever talks about, even though the internet is rife with Mac/time machine data loss anecdotes.
Extremely uncomfortable sharp edges.
Safari is so close to being useful, but falls short. I configure it to wipe out everything on close, and use it as a sort of super-private-mode browser.
QuickTime is garbage.
Application file associations are super finicky.
There is no built in method to set the screen to native resolution, needlessly inflicting blurry screens.
Apple might blow it again with the hardware for years, meaning no upgrade path.
The machines are under-ventilated, under-powered, under-rammed.
Lack of games support.
Horrible battery life if you do anything intensive. Factorio burns through a full battery in about 90 minutes.
I wish they would make a “kids edition” laptop that is cheaper, made of plastic for dent-resistance, and can be locked down in the same way as iOS.
I wish it had a built in hyper visor or allowed me to run apps in something like sandboxie.
I wish I could change the the window manager (I happily used Arch for years and fell in love with the tiling window manager spectrwm).
The lack of a 4K screen on the MBP makes me sad. I had a thinkpad p1 with a 4K screen and it was stunning (but a power hog).
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I don't see how that's a negative. The Touch Bar still has an ESC segment that works exactly the same as the button and literally no one in any of the companies that I've worked with that's not a developer has ever had an issue with it while simultaneously finding the Touch Bar far more useful than unlabelled function keys.
Except it doesn't, because there is no esc key. There's a portion of a touch sensitive monitor that may, or may not, have an active region that simulates an esc key, which you won't know without looking at it, rather than being able to rely on the fact that there's a key in the upper left that you can feel for without ever looking at your keyboard, in the knowledge that it always sends the one key code it has to. If…
There is literally nothing that the physical key does that the virtual key on the Touch Bar can't do.