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Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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Post by harry8 »

azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

Apple regularly thieve from their customers. Apps you own, move country. Apple just take them with no refund. ONE example.

Great you work "hard" but why the hell would anyone trust apple when Apple have repeatedly shown they are totally untrustworthy.

Beyond which, securing data, that's just keeping from competitors. Where is Apple's policy that they will not now, nor will they ever abuse customer's data without explicit consent for each and every use with some very real consequence for not doing it.

"You don't need that, we're acting in your interests, trust us." The only sane response is to say "no" and point out apple are dishonest. You work for a dishonest company and can't see it because your paycheck depends on not seeing it.

That is something /I/ find very, very frustrating.

Apple give the same commitments that Google and Facebook do and are judged accordingly.

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Post by eternalban »

azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

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Post by tjoff »

azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

I don't doubt that the people doing this are competent, doing their best and are aiming for a privacy preserving solution.

But that is irrelevant.

1. Neither Google nor Apple deserve the trust this requires. Seriously!

2. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You are arguably pushing tons of resources which will directly harm all current and future human societies. It is not what this precedent will do for us during this epidemic, but afterwards. Also, normalizing tracking is not self fulfilling for Google and Apple, not at all...

Thanks for all you hard work?

Re: Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

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Post by iaml »

jtolmar wrote: post #162
dan-robertson wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have four arguments as to why google are behaving this way with regards to this data. I’ve no idea which, if any, they operate by: 1. It’s actually crap and they don’t want their advertisers to know that their ads are sold based on crap quality data/don’t want the backlash of doing a poor job helping 2. Most people at google care a lot about privacy (either in the secret kept between you and google sense or the mor…

> 2. Most people at google care a lot about privacy (either in the secret kept between you and google sense or the more common sense definition people seem to use on hn) When I worked at Google, I saw a lot of earnest efforts to keep data private, in a way that really was sufficient (k-anonymized with large k, for example), but in ways that have no outward proof that it was happening. Send all possible data to the se…

Doesn't this mean other people who might MITM the data flow (like NSA) would get the whole lot instead?

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Post by riffraff »

choppaface wrote: post #274
azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

The anti-vax movement challenges science itself; the anti-Google/Apple movement challenges corporate-level ethics and human control over identity. You can independently reproduce experiments demonstrating the efficacy of medicine. You can’t reproduce the faith that you place in your own corporation.

But in this case the mechanics at play are the same: people can read the documentation and arrive at the idea that this protocol is actually good and much better than some alternatives.

Instead, they form an opinion based on generic distrust for apple and Google, just like no-vax people do it out of generic mistrust for institutions and big pharma.

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Post by jb775 »

azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

Distrust and caution are the parents of security.

- Benjamin Franklin

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Post by gonehome »

azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

Yeah, there’s so little critical thinking going on in general.

I wish people really tried to understand rather than just give knee-jerk negative responses to go along with their existing world view.

A lot of people are trying to do the right thing and working hard to do good. The cynical HN default response just feels like a lazy way to try and signal intelligence.

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Post by brian-armstrong »

fenomas wrote: post #308
azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

I've long felt like Apple is uniquely easy to distrust, due to its almost total lack of visible employees. I assume there are actual people working there, but I've never seen one, say, speak (openly) at a meetup or answer a stackoverflow question, or the like. ~Everything I know about Apple either comes from an advertisement or from a guy who talked to a guy who talked to Gruber, and I have a feeling that that makes…

Yep, I think this is quite right. In fact my first thought after seeing this guy self-identify was "welp, that guy's getting fired"

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Post by mcantelon »

azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

Institutions earned their current distrust.

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Post by abtinf »

fenomas wrote: post #308
azinman2 wrote: post #239

I have to say, working at Apple and knowing all the hard work that goes into this and making sure your data stays private while also being able to combat this disease, it's very frustrating to read a lot of the comments here. I can understand why the public is skeptical, but I feel like as a society we've swung so far away from institutional trust that now nothing good can actually emerge. The anti-vax movement is a…

I've long felt like Apple is uniquely easy to distrust, due to its almost total lack of visible employees. I assume there are actual people working there, but I've never seen one, say, speak (openly) at a meetup or answer a stackoverflow question, or the like. ~Everything I know about Apple either comes from an advertisement or from a guy who talked to a guy who talked to Gruber, and I have a feeling that that makes…

Do you find companies with public facing employees that give talks at meetups and conferences easier to trust?

In other words, you trust Facebook, Google, NSA, and Congress more than Apple?

Seems like an odd standard.

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