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Re: Firefox 4 RC now available

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Post by sp332 »

yesimahuman wrote: post #29
Samuel_Michon wrote: post #23

I'm used to Firefox 3.6 on Win7. There are a few reasons why it's my go-to browser when I'm using Windows: 1) Plug-ins like Firebug, web dev toolbar, greasemonkey, and resizeable textarea 2) Tabs are well-placed and readable, and you can simply double-click next to tabs to open a new tab 3) A proper status bar that's always visible 4) A full menu bar 5) No Adobe Flash built-in I've installed Firefox 4 RC. The colors…

> If Mozilla wanted to copy Chrome/Safari's UI, they've succeeded They haven't succeeded because they still see the need for both a search box and an address box and the tabs don't close right under where the last close button was (my biggest gripes).

the tabs don't close right under where the last close button was

It's not really a fix, but as a less-aggravating workaround, you can use ctl-w or ctl-F4 to close tabs. That way you don't have to reposition the mouse every time you want to close a tab. And I can hit ctl-w with my left hand, so I still don't have to take my right hand off the mouse to use the keyboard shortcut.

Re: Firefox 4 RC now available

#42

Post by Samuel_Michon »

Sephr wrote: post #32
Samuel_Michon wrote: post #23

I'm used to Firefox 3.6 on Win7. There are a few reasons why it's my go-to browser when I'm using Windows: 1) Plug-ins like Firebug, web dev toolbar, greasemonkey, and resizeable textarea 2) Tabs are well-placed and readable, and you can simply double-click next to tabs to open a new tab 3) A proper status bar that's always visible 4) A full menu bar 5) No Adobe Flash built-in I've installed Firefox 4 RC. The colors…

> No Adobe Flash built-in How is that a reason not to use Firefox over Chrome? Plugins can always be disabled, and if it's the principle of having proprietary stuff in your browser that you dislike, you can always choose Chromium, which doesn't include Adobe Flash or the PDF viewer, among other things.

I'm fine with proprietary tech, but Adobe Flash and Acrobat are unsafe, buggy and drive my CPU mad.

After reading your comment, I have once again searched for a setting within Chrome to remove the built-in Flash, but I can't find it. That leaves Chromium and Iron.

Re: Firefox 4 RC now available

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Post by asadotzler »

ajg1977 wrote: post #30
robryan wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I guess you could look at it the other way, with firefox 4 being released is there much in chrome that provides a significant advantage to the end user? Sure Chrome has iterated faster and as a result the current Chrome is a lot better than FF3.6, is this the case with 4 now though?

Well no, you can't look at it that way. The fact that Chrome is no longer significantly better is hardly a reason to get excited about FF4 :)

I disagree. There are 400-450 million Firefox users that absolutely will benefit in huge ways from this update. There may have been a time for a while there where some chunk of those users felt like Chrome could offer them more, but that time is gone now.

I'd go a step further and say that now there are going to be an increasing number of Chrome users who will compare to Firefox 4 and want the performance and feature improvements that it has over Chrome and that may hold true for some time.

So, yes, you could look at it that way.

Re: Firefox 4 RC now available

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Post by dataminer »

tshtf wrote: post #3

Serious question here... I now use Chrome, my parents use Chrome, and almost everyone I know has converted. Most HN users seem to use it too: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2105954 . Is there anything compelling in Firefox 4 to get excited about?

I am using firefox 4 beta and its almost as fast as chrome plus some extensions I can't live without are not mature enough in chrome for example pentadactyl + nosquint (hinting doesnt work well with vimium + autozoom), gmail checker (checks multiple gmail accounts), firebug and other development extensions.

You are right, if you are not hooked on some extensions chrome is a good option, my wife is a full time chrome user.

Re: Firefox 4 RC now available

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Post by asadotzler »

kunjaan wrote: post #17

How long after the release candidates do they usually releases the final product? Does anyone know the history of their release periods?

It's been decreasing consistently over the last few releases. If we don't find any major flaws in the RC, we'll ship it as final in a week or two. If we do, you can add a few days to that estimate.

Re: Firefox 4 RC now available

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Post by pcwalton »

yesimahuman wrote: post #29
Samuel_Michon wrote: post #23

I'm used to Firefox 3.6 on Win7. There are a few reasons why it's my go-to browser when I'm using Windows: 1) Plug-ins like Firebug, web dev toolbar, greasemonkey, and resizeable textarea 2) Tabs are well-placed and readable, and you can simply double-click next to tabs to open a new tab 3) A proper status bar that's always visible 4) A full menu bar 5) No Adobe Flash built-in I've installed Firefox 4 RC. The colors…

> If Mozilla wanted to copy Chrome/Safari's UI, they've succeeded They haven't succeeded because they still see the need for both a search box and an address box and the tabs don't close right under where the last close button was (my biggest gripes).

Yeah, I'm disappointed that our fix for the latter [1] didn't end up landing in time for Firefox 4. I'm hoping to release it as an add-on, and it has a very good chance of making it for the next release 3 months down the road.

[1]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465086

Re: Firefox 4 RC now available

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Post by pmh »

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #42
Sephr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No Adobe Flash built-in How is that a reason not to use Firefox over Chrome? Plugins can always be disabled, and if it's the principle of having proprietary stuff in your browser that you dislike, you can always choose Chromium, which doesn't include Adobe Flash or the PDF viewer, among other things.

I'm fine with proprietary tech, but Adobe Flash and Acrobat are unsafe, buggy and drive my CPU mad. After reading your comment, I have once again searched for a setting within Chrome to remove the built-in Flash, but I can't find it. That leaves Chromium and Iron.

I'm not sure that you can remove it, but you should be able to disable it through the about:plugins page. The long way around is through Options->Under the Hood->Plugin-ins->Disable individual plugins.

Re: Firefox 4 RC now available

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Post by mbrubeck »

dchest wrote: post #39
mbrubeck wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Panorama (formerly "Tab Candy"): http://mashable.com/2010/08/25/firefox-4-beta-4-panorama/ 2. Firefox Sync, which syncs bookmarks, tabs, passwords, history, and formfill data to all your different computers -- and to Firefox for Android. Firefox Sync encrypts your data client-side for privacy and security, and you can run your own sync server if you want to. (There are multiple open-source server implementations.)…

Unlike Chrome's bookmark sync, Firefox Sync encrypts your data client-side for privacy and security Chrome 10 can encrypt everything client-side too.

Thanks! I didn't know that. Fixed my comment.
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