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Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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This may sound strange but I would recommend practicing lucid dreaming. If you can manage to stay focused and awake in a dream on a regular basis, you'll find that staying focused and awake while not dreaming to be trivial. I was surprised to discover this at first, but it makes sense because it's extremely rewarding to have a good dream. After a while, the line will blur between what is real and not and it won't mat…

Sounds great! Any recommended book/link ?

Castaneda is the undisputed authority on the subject of "dreaming". I would recommend you check out r/castaneda; it's a very friendly non-toxic community where you'll get any questions you have answered--but be prepared, it's a mixed bag, you'll see discussions about things among the "advanced" users that will disagree with your reason. I forget which book Carlos dedicated just to detailed discussion of dreaming, but most of them discussed dreaming to some extent. I send my best regards to you on your journey to stay focused!

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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You can read more than one book at a time. Just keep track where you are with a post-it note. It's OKAY.

Take notes online or offline or both. Just write down what you learned in prose and store it in plain text files. Don't worry about organizing it, you can always add a full-text search later (if you wanted everything to be interlinked, google "Sublime Zettelkasten").

Knowledge sticks best if you get practical and use it, too, e.g. by writing some code. But the day has only 24 hours, so you won't be able to try out everything in practice. It's OKAY.

There's no need to finish one thing before starting the next one, but you ought to keep moving forward at least a little bit with each book that you are pursuing, or you'll end up having 25 books with only one chapter read. This is NOT okay, but don't worry - if you notice it, just prevent yourself from letting yourself start a new book as long as k are still unfinished. Don't worry about buying more books than you can read. Always good to have a personal library of good books in case there's a lockdown e.g. due to a pandemic, and it's OKAY to postpone reading them until you have finished the one you are working on right now.

It's a great idea to have a project, and to learn all those things that your project needs (= that you need to complete your project to your satisfaction). This is useful because it delineates what to read/try/master/experiment and where to stop. If you work as a developer or scientist, you normally have one or more projects given to you or self-selected, and focusing on these keeps you grounded and avoids you getting lost. Having a project means you do not just CONSUME knowledge but that you will also PRODUCE something, which gives you fulfilment.

YouTube is a useful supplement and it may speed up your learning, but note that there is a lot of overlap both in books and online. Focusing on one book per topic gives you a sense of where you are (x% complete), which may be helpful for orientation and self-motivation, too. It's OKAY to supplement with additional reading and videos, but I'd suggest stick to one text book as your master source to have that orientation.

Having access to a group of students, e.g. at a university (research group, reading group) or meet-up, is also very helpful to stay motivated. Nothing stops you from forming your own if there isn't one for the topics you care about. Nowadays it could be virtual, too. People in groups can learn based on personal study and then congregate to discuss or they can teach each other different sub-parts of the materials that the group attempts to master.

Best of luck!

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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The tool is called a schedule. You write what you should be doing at that time in the schedule. It does not run your life, instead it is the most optimized use of your time and it's up to you to follow it. After many false starts you will eventually adhere to the schedule, but only if you are truly interested in what you are learning and not learning it because you think you should. My personal method is take something I want to learn, and then all the boring pre-req parts become a research project instead of starting like everybody else does with the boring pre-req parts and failing before you begin.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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I'm late to the party but I just stumbled on something Ursula K. Le Guin said that I think is the perfect answer:

"When action becomes unprofitable, gather information. When gathering information becomes unprofitable, sleep."

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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Check these books: - Ultralearning by Scott Young - Deep Work by Cal Newport - Atomic Habits by James Clear - How to Read a Book by Mortimer Adler - Mindfulness Meditation (many books by Jon Kabat-Zinn „Ultralearning“ has lots of valuable ideas. For instance: Directly attacking the skill you want to learn. If you want to learn Git versioning, practice doing it. „Deep Work“ convinced me that I need to spend focused an…

Having been on a productivity nonfiction binge, i'm convinced all the ideas work, but the bulk of the effort is actually applying the advice. Otherwise, it's too easy to get caught in the cycle of epiphany porn. The core ideas -- focus on one thing, have clear next actions for each thing, spaced repetition, stop when you're getting good (hemingway), etc, can be summarized in a couple of blog posts but the main benefi…

"cycle of epiphany porn" is my favorite new phrase

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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Some things that help me:

1) Echoing what someone has already said, a big key is to do a little each day. Before doing that, I would try to read whole chapters of books at a time and feel overwhelmed. Setting aside 30 minutes each day and sticking to it, even if you feel you have more energy at the end, is the way to go. Progress will be slow, and it'll take you months to read a book. But you'll learn a lot this way, and the sporadic bursts accomplish much less in my experience.

2) When choosing what to read, I tend to go for books that are fundamental. I do ML/stats work, so that tends to be math books on probability, linear algebra, stuff like that. These also tend to be the books that require the greatest mental effort.

3) Watching stuff on YouTube isn't a bad thing! The books I got the most out of were those that also had an online lecture series.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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I often feel this way. I think it helps _a lot_ to have an effective task management system. Why? There is this thing called the Zeigarnik effect. The Zeigarnik effect states that unoccupied tasks tend to overwhelm your conscious thought. When you have too much stuff to do you get overburdened and stressed and start watching Youtube. (I've definitely been there). How do you deal with the Zeigarnik effect? Well, you c…

It wouldn't work for all of your tasks but have you tried prioritized tasklist (tasklists assigned a value and a time and then sorted by that). I have ADHD meaning managing doing things is horrible but with prioritized tasklist I can just start at the top and go down during timeslots in the day assigned to finishing tasklist items. If I don't finish low priority things with the time I had it just means they're not important enough (though of course there will be conflict within tasklist if you have tasks that have deadlines or urgencies).

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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Hi Raph, what's up? When it comes to improving yourself and learning new things, I think attitude is more important than tools. There is only so much you can get out of organizing your goals, resources and time if you overstretch yourself. I have found two techniques useful in terms of focusing my time and energy: Extrapolating from future achievements and elimination. What I mean with "extrapolating from future achi…

That's an interesting technique for eliminating FOMO, knowing what you need in advance to get to where you want to go so you don't have to worry about shinier things.

Point 2 reminds me of Peter Thiel's power law: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Thiel_on_power_law.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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Not sure how helpful this is, but I make a list of all the most pressing things I want to learn and everyday I'll look it over and choose whatever I feel like doing for however long I want. The point here isn't efficiency, this is basically the bare minimum I think one can do while still learning and making progress, i.e. you don't need to follow a rigorous schedule or cultivate a great deal of self discipline if you…

I like this. A lot of people underestimate starting small because they want to maximize value generated from the start but really starting small and building up is the way to go.

Might find this: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Micro-rules_of_productivity about micro rules interesting. This also reminds me of atomic habits.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to add some clarification for everyone in the "normal" boat, because I think I learn in the same way as parent: Specifically what "enjoy" is being attributed to... which is _not_ the end result, but the _process_. You can't pick this up front, you have to just play and throw things away like you don't care (and you really don't care), just keep trying things until it feels enjoyable. I suspect people get stuck…

This needs a bot more clarification please. What are your thoughts about the process of browsing social media which is interesting and enjoyable

In essence you are asking me to explain how to differentiate entertainment from everything else.

It's probably best to literally ask yourself that question honestly, but a good rule of thumb might be: If it's not intellectually stimulating, it's probably pure entertainment. This is tricky because some good forms of entertainment will make you think, but probably not enough to be considered "learning" in the way we mean here.

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