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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by skummetmaelk »

bitwize wrote: post #798
Jonovono wrote: post #691

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I could care less about the ESC key being gone (remapped that to caps lock) but I hate the touchbar so much. Half the time i'm listening music and go to pause it the bar doesn't work, or tells me it's already paused even though music is playing.

The fact that you remapped Esc to Caps Lock and don't miss the latter just indicates the non-essentiality of Caps Lock. Guess which key Apple will remove next :)

They will put a tiny screen there to display ads for top selling apps.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by tcoff91 »

chrischen wrote: post #842
mellavora wrote: post #772

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Right! Real vi users have a foot pedal for escape. :__) *yes, fingers pointing at me

I think most people actually remap to the ~ key, or if they're extreme they'll use tab. On my keyboard Escape already came as the ~ key and you have to use fn to access ~ or `. The ergonomics of moving it closer far outweigh any benefits from it being physical vs touchscreen.

Remap caps-lock to escape and you're good to go! Or remap capslock to control and use Ctrl-[. Or use karabiner and remap capslock to control-when-held and escape-when-pressed-quickly.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by 70jS8h5L »

caribousoup wrote: post #240
hidiegomariani wrote: post #149

I've a macbook pro 13' 2017 - It's the worst laptop I've used in the past 10 years. It continuously gets smoking hot lot of fan noise and very often kernel panics. I have lost faith in apple macbook especially when price to hardware ratio is higher than anyone else in the industry I expect the machine to just work seamlessly. I'm very soon disposing the laptop and buy a dell or a thinkpad. I'm not looking at apple ag…

Same impression with the 2018 15" MBP. Topcase was replaced twice, and a full exchange for the third repair, all within the first year. The screen is now pressure damaged everywhere... by gently wiping with a damp microfiber cloth? I'm certain it's a manufacturing defect, but I can't seem to find similar complaints anywhere. I've been buying Macs for 20+ years, let's be honest... I'm not rage quitting and moving plat…

Same issue for me with the screen. It's been meticulously cared for and only ever wiped with a clean damp microfibre and there's small micro scratches, as well as marks from what I assume is it resting on the keys whilst closed. I could tolerate such issues with the old models safe in the knowledge that a replacement glass was fairly cheap - not the case anymore.

And then there's the degradation of reliability software wise. Way more regular crashes, bugs etc. Dodgy Bluetooth issues, WiFi issues, a bricked iMac after a software update, and way more (including the MacBook keyboard issue, which I'll need repairing).

And the support. I've had good experiences with Apple in the past, but a recent issue with my iMac has led to it being repaired twice, and still it's broken. I've been dealing with this since January. I've experienced faulty diagnoses, lies about consumer law rights for replacement (which they've since confirmed was incorrect on multiple occasions), they forgot to put my RAM back in, they scratched my screen, and now it clearly hasn't been assembled correctly as the speaker causes something to reverberate in the case, as if a screw's lose. My most recent interaction with a senior support advisor was the most awful of my life, and I've never dealt with such a confrontational customer support person. After finally getting a replacement machine authorised (for the second time in 2 weeks), it's been cancelled a further 2 times for "unknown reasons", leading to more delays. It's been a real nightmare.

Purely anecdotal of course, but I've had that many negative experiences with my Mac's in general recently, both hardware and software, that I feel it is not coincidental. The MacBook and Mac lineup in general is moving towards being too expensive for the joy and stability it gives me, and I'm very close to moving back to Linux after what has up until relatively recently been a very positive experience for almost a decade for me.

I really hope that the new keyboards are a sign of better things to come, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ajmurmann »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #767
anbop wrote: post #686

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The problem is most heavy computer users set themselves up with a proper ergonomic setup, i.e. external keyboard. And by not building the touch bar into external keyboards, they killed the entire concept of the Touch Bar, because any "pro" application has to assume that you may or may not have a touch bar and can't put essential functionality there. Which limits the Touch Bar to proper first-class support primarily i…

I guess the actual, underlying problem is, the Touchbar is bad UX for a bunch of software engineers, but pretty great for most everyone else. Think about it – you lose some keys you never really had a use for anyway except as media keys, and you get almost analogue-ish volume and brightness controls, apps can give you context-dependent options that are really discoverable (which F-keys totally aren't) and can adapt t…

How does it help with emoji? I've found CMD+Ctrl+space to already work really well.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Razengan »

uyuioi wrote: post #831

The problem with the touchbar is that you cannot build muscle memory with it. You have to look down to do anything with it. That goes against the entire UX of a keyboard. How Apple hasn’t understood that basic fact yet is beyond me. This new MacBook is nothing special. A Ryzen 4000HS surface is more attractive now. The cheaper CPU Ryzen has 8 cores and is faster than the current 16” 6 core i7. Time to get rid of Inte…

> The problem with the touchbar is that you cannot build muscle memory with it. You have to look down to do anything with it.

At most laptop usage angles the Touch Bar is in the periphery of your vision, and I can go for buttons that are always in the same place, like the volume/brightness sliders, without having to give it a conscious glance.

You have to look up what each F# key does in each app.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by AdamGibbins »

dddddaviddddd wrote: post #754
fluffything wrote: post #576

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How do people WFH with their new $$$ macbooks ? Is there any external cam you would recommend ?

I use a Pixel 3a (rear camera) connected over USB + Droidcam as my webcam.

Droidcam doesn't exist for MacOS?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by samatman »

dkonofalski wrote: post #824
TheRealPomax wrote: post #722

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Or, you know, literally any app where `esc` is the "cancel and exit this dialog" key. Which is every Adobe application, all DAWs, etc. etc.

I don't see how that's a negative. The Touch Bar still has an ESC segment that works exactly the same as the button and literally no one in any of the companies that I've worked with that's not a developer has ever had an issue with it while simultaneously finding the Touch Bar far more useful than unlabelled function keys.

I'm glad Apple disagrees with you and is no longer making computers which lack a physical escape key.

I got used to it pretty quickly, and I've had press-Alt mapped to Esc for many years.

It was always annoying, and the 16" with a physical Esc is much nicer.

Now all Apple has to do is add some haptic feedback to the damnable thing and I'll actually like it.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jimnotgym »

I see $1,299 translates to £1,299 as usual in the Apple world.

I'm glad hipsters have a new toy to sit in coffee shops with while browsing the web. I truly don't understand why people put up with them.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by pilsetnieks »

hadlock wrote: post #685
tw04 wrote: post #197

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After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

I decided to become an early adopter of "USB-C for everything" in ~2017 and do not regret it. Between my laptops (work + personal), tablet, phone, VR, game console, headphones it is really nice to have a single 65w wall wart and a single cable that works for everything and only need to bring one charger. The one holdout still is an e-ink e-reader, the Kindle Oasis's top review is a one-star review talking about lack…

USB-C would take off like wildfire if there actually existed any proper USB-C hubs - not what's currently called a "USB-C hub" which is more like a breakout box which at best replicates the single USB-C port it takes up and adds a bunch of legacy ports; I'm talking about a proper hub that plugs into a single port and turns it into multiple ports, like those dirt cheap old USB-A hubs. You literally cannot move to an all-USB-C existence because with rare exceptions 1 port = 1 device.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by cjohnson318 »

jimnotgym wrote: post #878

I see $1,299 translates to £1,299 as usual in the Apple world. I'm glad hipsters have a new toy to sit in coffee shops with while browsing the web. I truly don't understand why people put up with them.

You don't understand why people put up with Apple consumers? Or Apple the company? Or specifically MacBook Pros?
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