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Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by qpooqpoo »

busterarm wrote: post #131
gassius wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to fail in an ad hominem but I kinda give low value to the thinking of the Unabomber

He had a BA from Harvard and a PhD in Mathematics. He was the victim of 200 hours of brutal psychological experimentation by Henry Murray. It turns out you can torture people past their breaking point and they may not recover. It also turns out that doing this to people with greater-than-average intelligence can have proportionally greater-than-average consequences.

"200 hours of brutal psychological experimentation"

This is a conspiracy theory and a myth.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by qpooqpoo »

ethanwillis wrote: post #58
bawana wrote: post #25

Why does big always become evil?

"The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race." Ted Kaczynski would roughly say that Big becomes evil because Big means standardization. If you have a large corporation you need to standardize processes in order to be efficient enough to justify your existence. This is directly at odds with individual dignity and autonomy. Specifically see 111. onwards of Industrial Society a…

Yes, this is more or less correct. You should absolutely read Kaczynski's two books as well, "Technological Slavery" and "Anti-Tech Revolution."

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by busterarm »

qpooqpoo wrote: post #181
busterarm wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had a BA from Harvard and a PhD in Mathematics. He was the victim of 200 hours of brutal psychological experimentation by Henry Murray. It turns out you can torture people past their breaking point and they may not recover. It also turns out that doing this to people with greater-than-average intelligence can have proportionally greater-than-average consequences.

"200 hours of brutal psychological experimentation" This is a conspiracy theory and a myth.

No it isn't. They were stress experiments and the goal was to humiliate him to see what his limits were and they're on the record.

The (often claimed) part of the story that's conspiracy theory is that the experiments are tied to MKULTRA, which I didn't claim at all, because there's no evidence of that.

If anything's a conspiracy theory, it's that the entirety of your comment history on Hacker News, spanning 2 years is to post solely on the topic of the Unabomber, and that you do the same thing on Reddit.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by orestarod »

yters wrote: post #51
bawana wrote: post #25

Why does big always become evil?

In the grand scheme of evil, I'm not sure Amazon's firings ranks very highly.

In the lesser sceme? There are many evils past whatever is rank 1 evil, and they are not invalidated nor disappear because of rank 1.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by orestarod »

Waterluvian wrote: post #44
bawana wrote: post #25

Why does big always become evil?

Maybe it's that capitalism is incompatible with morality and the government isn't doing it's job to force behaviors that are necessary, but not aligned with capitalism.

Any written set of laws or system rules are incompatible with morality. Morality cannot be formally described - there will always be ways to be true to the letter of the rules and still act immorally.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by orestarod »

Pfhreak wrote: post #141
Udik wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"De facto" as opposed to "de jure" means something happening without being mandated by law. This doesn't seem to have much to do with the GP's statement: >> If the firings disproportionately or systemically impact races or genders, the firings can be racist/sexist -- even if race or gender is not involved in the firing decision. If race or gender are not involved in the firing decisions, it means that the decision is…

> If race or gender are not involved in the firing decisions, it means that the decision is based on other factors. Or it means that race/gender were involved due to implicit biases or systems beyond what the firing party believed they were evaluating. One can unintentionally have discriminatory behavior. It might not have been a factor in the discussions of the firings, but it still could be a root cause.

When evaluating a specific matter through specific factors, do you really then have to go through all the other possible factors to make sure they are equally represented in the outcome?

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by ethanwillis »

busterarm wrote: post #183
qpooqpoo wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"200 hours of brutal psychological experimentation" This is a conspiracy theory and a myth.

No it isn't. They were stress experiments and the goal was to humiliate him to see what his limits were and they're on the record. The (often claimed) part of the story that's conspiracy theory is that the experiments are tied to MKULTRA, which I didn't claim at all, because there's no evidence of that. If anything's a conspiracy theory, it's that the entirety of your comment history on Hacker News, spanning 2 years…

When I checked the comment history after reading that last line I couldn't believe my eyes.

I wonder if Dang considers it astroturfing if an intelligence agency does it? (edit: joke, but it is weird that your comment history is nothing but about Ted).

And for those of you who are wondering if the psych. experiments are real or not: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard...

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by busterarm »

ethanwillis wrote: post #187
busterarm wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. They were stress experiments and the goal was to humiliate him to see what his limits were and they're on the record. The (often claimed) part of the story that's conspiracy theory is that the experiments are tied to MKULTRA, which I didn't claim at all, because there's no evidence of that. If anything's a conspiracy theory, it's that the entirety of your comment history on Hacker News, spanning 2 years…

When I checked the comment history after reading that last line I couldn't believe my eyes. I wonder if Dang considers it astroturfing if an intelligence agency does it? (edit: joke, but it is weird that your comment history is nothing but about Ted). And for those of you who are wondering if the psych. experiments are real or not: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard...

They've even suggested wikipedia edits on his page that were rejected. Single-issue posters in general are hard to deal with as far as community & discussion, but this is just weird.

I'm genuinely worried here.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by ethanwillis »

busterarm wrote: post #188
ethanwillis wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I checked the comment history after reading that last line I couldn't believe my eyes. I wonder if Dang considers it astroturfing if an intelligence agency does it? (edit: joke, but it is weird that your comment history is nothing but about Ted). And for those of you who are wondering if the psych. experiments are real or not: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard...

They've even suggested wikipedia edits on his page that were rejected. Single-issue posters in general are hard to deal with as far as community & discussion, but this is just weird. I'm genuinely worried here.

It's strange that they suggest the alternate books at the same time. I just want to understand the agenda.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Post by busterarm »

ethanwillis wrote: post #189
busterarm wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've even suggested wikipedia edits on his page that were rejected. Single-issue posters in general are hard to deal with as far as community & discussion, but this is just weird. I'm genuinely worried here.

It's strange that they suggest the alternate books at the same time. I just want to understand the agenda.

If you look at the reddit posts you'll see more of the same and in a number of boards. Deeper searches of the name turn up alt-right memes (triple ellipses, ok hand gestures) via car message boards. I'm assuming accelerationist?
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