Does anyone know if the original statements from Apple and/or Google are available online?
I believe it comes from here:
https://blog.google/documents/72/Exposure_Notifications_Serv...
Section 3.c.i
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#52Will be interesting to see if they can ban Indian govt. app[1] which needs full location access(clarified)[3]. A lot of people like this app(including me) but also know government does not have good track record in securing private data. Previously Apple were made to bend their rules when India threatened to ban Apple devices if they don't allow TRAI Do Not Disturb app in 2018.[2] [1] https://play.google.com/store/ap…
Why do you like it?
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that Palantir is involved, I'd not touch it with a long stick https://tech.newstatesman.com/coronavirus/palantir-covid19-d...
Having worked at Palantir, I’m curious which outdated misconceptions you’re still harboring? It’s a giant federated search engine... that’s about it. They don’t even hold any data themselves, it all stays on site with the customer.
I'll use an analogy: they might not be the warlords, but they are the weapon traffickers.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple logs location history? Other than the wifi location log from ios4 and the significant locations feature (opt in, device only), I don't know how apple is logging locations.
Not only it does but I even remember a story of a crime that was solved in Germany a few years ago just by requesting from Apple the history of the locations.
"I remember a story that is the entire opposite of what you said".
If you have an argument to make based on a specific event, you're going to have to do better and provide some sources. "I remember a story", are we going to throw the full privacy history of Apple away based on your "history" that you remember? Please provide sources or do some research before you comment.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that Palantir is involved, I'd not touch it with a long stick https://tech.newstatesman.com/coronavirus/palantir-covid19-d...
Having worked at Palantir, I’m curious which outdated misconceptions you’re still harboring? It’s a giant federated search engine... that’s about it. They don’t even hold any data themselves, it all stays on site with the customer.
They create tools that enable the government to infringe on the privacy rights of their citizens
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#56I’m genuinely suprised that an implementation came out so quickly ... one would think the pandemia must have been advanced before the government even considered doing this ... and here we are with Android and iOS approved apps, with bluetooth and permission solutions made by a team of available engineers, implementing goverment documented requirements ... hmmm
There is not a single app using this API in "approved" state, let alone active use. The API is kept very simple, its implementation has just entered a beta stage, and the Bluetooth tech it uses is almost a decade old already. And the entire idea of contact tracing via BT has been discussed for months already by several teams worldwide and already been implemented a few times in various ways, so it's not exactly new either.
But don't worry, just go on with your demonstrative "critical thinking"...
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I think this is actually quite innovative from the Uk government, take the existing NHS brand which has been a thorn in the side of the Conservatives for decades, co-opt the brand for dodgy spy software thta not only tarnishes the NHS brand, but also continues the UK government attempt at tracking every step every citizen takes.
I don't think that's what they're doing. Intersection of people who care about privacy and people who wouldn't see through that tactic is tiny. They are using the NHS brand to get high adoption. Plus the UK govt slogan right now is literally "protect the NHS", the existing Conservative party opposition to the NHS is basically gone now, hopefully for good.
> Plus the UK govt slogan right now is literally "protect the NHS", the existing Conservative party opposition to the NHS is basically gone now, hopefully for good.
One does not follow from the other. Slogans substitute for competency and funding. The opposition is both ideological and directly financially motivated, so I expect the fragmentary privatization to continue.
Watch out for a "now we must pay for coronavirus" user surcharge appearing ...
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> Is the source code of these apps something that could be FOI requested There's no need for such a request. They themselves say " We intend to open source our codebase once the design is finalised " here: https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/report/nhs-covid-19-app-privacy-secu...
This is why I mentioned the time frame - this goes into trial EDIT:TOMORROW* (still don't think that gives much time to audit the source code) in Isle of Wight, and ITV news said it is going out to the rest of the UK Thursday - so its being installed without any code being shown yet. https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52442754
"Stay Clam and Work on Your Social Credit."
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#59covid19 has become a buzzword factory. Politicians popularize terms like "herd immunity" , "crush the curve", "testing", "ventilators", "PPE" etc to appear to be doing something. "Tracing" is the next in line, but it's a total sham. No country has been able to contain the epidemic with bluetooth. And all the countries that manage the epidemic have first waited until they have very few cases , which can be traced manu…
You seem to agree with Schneier! I'm with you, the whole premise is utterly useless. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/05/me_on_covad-1...
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#60covid19 has become a buzzword factory. Politicians popularize terms like "herd immunity" , "crush the curve", "testing", "ventilators", "PPE" etc to appear to be doing something. "Tracing" is the next in line, but it's a total sham. No country has been able to contain the epidemic with bluetooth. And all the countries that manage the epidemic have first waited until they have very few cases , which can be traced manu…
Bluetooth is only really an option for Apple, not any iOS developer. Slightly different for Google, where Android lets background apps use Bluetooth. So no country has tried to use bluetooth in their apps. Other than South Korea it sounded like contract tracing had been abandoned.