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Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage Now Has S3 Compatible APIs

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Re: Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage Now Has S3 Compatible APIs

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Post by anotheracct_ »

manigandham wrote: post #170
anotheracct_ wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this incompatible with Net Neutrality? I think Cloudflare already was against net neutrality, but people who believe in that principle might need to avoid Backblaze as well if that is the case.

No, this has nothing to do with net neutrality. Your ISP isn't discriminating what data you consume, whether it's from cloudflare or another CDN. This is about the fact that bandwidth is usually bought by capacity between networks rather than usage and they're passing those savings on to you instead of charging expensive per-GB costs like the major clouds.

I'm referring to Cloudflare as the network provider. It seems not-net-neutral to be charged different amounts depending on the relationship between the storage provider and the network provider.

If the argument is a semantic one, that net neutrality is so narrowly defined that it doesn't apply to them as a CDN rather than a conventional ISP, it still stands that the situation is not-net-neutral if we generalize that to include CDNs, which it ought to, since that's what the N stands for.

Re: Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage Now Has S3 Compatible APIs

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Post by kevstev »

kstrauser wrote: post #69

As a Synology user, please let this mean that Hyper Backup can work with B2 now (or at least soon).

I was trying to see if this was now better than Glacier- and aside from the SLA's being much better in terms of retrieval, I am not sure they make sense for a backup use case- where you are only really planning on downloading that data back down in a worst case scenario. It may depend on what your incremental backups look like as well- mine are negligible- a dump of a few GB of photos after holidays, other records are tiny.

Glacier pricing in us-east is .0004 vs .0005 for B2. There is always pricing obfuscation with cloud, but AFAICT, there is no need to move off Glacier for a backup use-case.

Re: Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage Now Has S3 Compatible APIs

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Post by ing33k »

Used B2 heavily until recently as a origin server for a CDN. Few weeks ago we saw a spike in 502 / 504 responses.

When I contacted their customer supported , I was pointed to the following URL where they explain in detail how they handle these errors https://www.backblaze.com/blog/b2-503-500-server-error/

Essentially they are not considered as errors and expect the client to retry loading the file. This approach won't work in our use case.

Re: Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage Now Has S3 Compatible APIs

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Post by kcolford »

rkrzr wrote: post #165

Does Backblaze offer strong consistency for files? The killer feature of Google Cloud Storage in my eyes is its ability to be strongly consistent, if you set the right HTTP headers. This is not possible for Amazon S3, which is always eventually consistent and makes it unusable for many use cases where you need to be able to guarantee that customers will always see the newest version of a file.

I know that the underlying backbaze b2 is strongly consistent because of how they shard it. You get a different download endpoint depending on your bucket corresponding to the data centre. Not sure how they implemented their S3 endpoint though so that will be interesting.

Re: Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage Now Has S3 Compatible APIs

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Post by christophilus »

Swank. One of the reasons I'm not using Backblaze is because I couldn't find a way to generate a private url which allowed secure upload from the browser. It only allowed (so far as I can tell) a private url that had access to an entire bucket. If they've got an S3 compatibility layer now, this problem is solved. I'm gonna invest some time on this tomorrow.

Re: Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage Now Has S3 Compatible APIs

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Post by atYevP »

anotheracct_ wrote: post #163
atYevP wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yev from Backblaze here -> That's correct. We're a founding member of the Bandwidth Alliance and you can find more info about that on our Blog ( https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-and-cloudflare-part... ) or FAQ ( https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217666928-Using... ). May the 4th be with you ;-)

Isn't this incompatible with Net Neutrality? I think Cloudflare already was against net neutrality, but people who believe in that principle might need to avoid Backblaze as well if that is the case.

Yev here -> unsure how those are related, but you certainly don't NEED to use Cloudflare if you're using B2 Cloud Storage as the data origination point, it's just an option that was brought up in the thread!

Re: Backblaze B2 Cloud Storage Now Has S3 Compatible APIs

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Post by khc »

anotheracct_ wrote: post #171
manigandham wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this has nothing to do with net neutrality. Your ISP isn't discriminating what data you consume, whether it's from cloudflare or another CDN. This is about the fact that bandwidth is usually bought by capacity between networks rather than usage and they're passing those savings on to you instead of charging expensive per-GB costs like the major clouds.

I'm referring to Cloudflare as the network provider. It seems not-net-neutral to be charged different amounts depending on the relationship between the storage provider and the network provider. If the argument is a semantic one, that net neutrality is so narrowly defined that it doesn't apply to them as a CDN rather than a conventional ISP, it still stands that the situation is not-net-neutral if we generalize that…

cloudflare is not charging different amount for different storage providers, some storage providers are waiving the fee when the upstream is cloudflare.

disclaimer: ex-cloudflare

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