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Re: YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke

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Post by battery_cowboy »

thinkingemote wrote: post #716
battery_cowboy wrote: post #592

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It kinda makes me scared that we'll never figure out how to prevent the most ignorant of us from destroying us all.

If it makes you feel any better and it shouldn't, right now and in the past many people have figured out how to effectively deal with "the ignorant". It basically involves death or camps, reeducation, exile, eugenics etc. The problem is not "idiots", the problem is thinking that other people are the problem.

True, division is the real enemy of the people and it's hard to remember that fact everyday with the assault to your senses from the media about how people are doing bad stuff. Thanks for reminding me.

Re: YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke

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Post by gamblor956 »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #435
gamblor956 wrote: post #127

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That's ridiculous. Of course it matters what someone is willing to express. A person willing to express hateful speech is a person who is also more willing to engage in hateful acts. Making it harder to cross that first line absolutely matters in making it harder for them to cross the line of becoming an active danger to others.

Genuinely curious why you think this is so (is there data about this?). It's entirely possible that letting things out makes people less likely to act on them.

When I was a public defender I got assigned to defend a number of skinheads. I got a pretty heavy exposure to their racist bullshit and it's one of the reasons I'm no longer a public defender.

Everyone thinks hateful thoughts in brief moments of anger, but very few people ever act on those thoughts or express them. Their whole recruitment process was to get someone to move from just thinking thoughts to acting on them, usually by spreading the message to others. Once you cross that line from thinking to action, the bright line divider is gone--it's all just a matter of degrees of action.

Re: YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke

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Post by gamblor956 »

kiba wrote: post #135
gamblor956 wrote: post #115

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Quite often, the damage caused by disinformation is simply allowing it to be spread. Look at all the experts trying to fighting the lies Trump has been spreading. All that effort, and yet almost 50% of this country believes him. Every moment they have to spend debunking yet another lie is time they can't spend on something useful. Look at all the people blaming 5g for COVID19. Every person that acts on that rumor and…

That is because the media decided to direct attention in exchange for clicks and ads revenue.

No, the media covered it because the president of the most powerful nation on earth making a speech about a global pandemic is newsworthy, and his words and actions have national and global impacts.

Re: YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke

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Post by gamblor956 »

cameronbrown wrote: post #163
gamblor956 wrote: post #152

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YouTube is not a de facto public utility. It is not currently used as the primary means of news by any segment of the population, by any government entity anywhere in the world. It is not a means of communication like Zoom or the telephone. It's just videos. Lots and lots of videos. It provides entertainment to billions of people, but that doesn't mean YouTube is a utility. It just means its very popular.

> It is not currently used as the primary means of news by any segment of the population This is wrong. I'm ~19 in the UK. My entire demographic gets their news from either Google, YouTube, Facebook and word-of-mouth, younger people even more so.

I don't doubt that people that are 19 hear things through the rumor mill. That is how the 5g rumor spread and why the UK has so many destroyed 5g towers right now. But there is a difference between the gossip spread through social networks, and news.

Also, to note--Google doesn't generate its own news. It sources it to news organizations...Similarly, YouTube News coverage are just segments of news broadcasts by news organizations...

Re: YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke

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Post by asdkjh345fd »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #842
asdkjh345fd wrote: post #805

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So what is "far-right" that needs to be silenced, and why? Do you also want the "far-left" silenced?

> what is "far-right" that needs to be silenced, and why? I'm not about to explain why I believe YouTube should officially oppose neo-Nazism. [0] > Do you also want the "far-left" silenced? If there are left-leaning life-threatening lies being spread, YouTube should treat them similarly. It's not the left/right spectrum that matters here. I suspect anti-vaxxers tend to lean left, for instance (the natural=good branch…

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Re: YouTube has deleted the account of David Icke

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Post by Supermancho »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #795
toofy wrote: post #655

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Not only are they not legally obligated to uphold free speech, very few (almost zero) companies allow anyone to say whatever they wish whenever they wish. Im still wondering why anyone expects this of youtube but would never ever expect it of the bar down the street.

> Im still wondering why anyone expects this of youtube but would never ever expect it of the bar down the street. I haven't been in a bar where the patrons were told they couldn't discuss quack medicine.

> I haven't been in a bar where the patrons were told they couldn't discuss quack medicine.

That's over specific.

All bars (even the worst ones I could find) usually have unspoken rules about what can be discussed, until you start to talk about those subjects (eg drug dealing, weapons dealing, planned violence, etc) openly. Of course you can't effectively restrict communication between individuals, but that's also not the issue.

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Post by calibas »

knzhou wrote: post #481
calibas wrote: post #463

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Was the fact that it kept spreading not strong evidence of human to human transmission? It seems they just went with the Chinese government instead of asking why people kept getting infected.

No, because at the time the statement was made, most of the known cases were directly linked to a single wildlife market. (Also keep in mind that this announcement is within 2 weeks of discovering the virus, sequencing its genome, inventing the first ever tests for it, and deploying those tests!) Luckily, enough evidence came in that they were sure a few days later.

In those few days it began spreading internationally, I'm not sure I'd call that "lucky".

In the WHO's defense, China was actively trying to cover up the outbreak. People were starting to panic because more people were getting sick, so they went full authoritarian and banned mention of it on social media.

More people kept getting sick because it was spreading between people, people were getting worried, then WHO announced no evidence of human to human transmission and recommended no restrictions on travel to Wuhan. We know full well in hindsight that was a mistake.

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

asdkjh345fd wrote: post #865
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #842

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> what is "far-right" that needs to be silenced, and why? I'm not about to explain why I believe YouTube should officially oppose neo-Nazism. [0] > Do you also want the "far-left" silenced? If there are left-leaning life-threatening lies being spread, YouTube should treat them similarly. It's not the left/right spectrum that matters here. I suspect anti-vaxxers tend to lean left, for instance (the natural=good branch…

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You've tipped your hand, troll. I believe we're done.

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Post by ryankemper »

cutemonster wrote: post #855
ryankemper wrote: post #851

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Yes, but I think trying to map out indirect violence gets into very dangerous territory. So, that's why I draw the line at "directly" advocating violence. Of course, the lines as always get blurry. To use a random example that comes to mind, when Kathy Griffin posted the severed head of Trump - was that a direct call to violence? That's a tough one to answer. My first intuition is that it does cross the line, but I c…

> not removing ANY speech. That causes genocides to happen though -- are you okay with that or did you not know

Sorry, can you clarify? Are you saying removing speech causes genocides, or not removing speech at all?

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Post by dang »

ehvatum wrote: post #831
ryankemper wrote: post #46

I very strongly feel that we should be very careful to avoid adopting a legalistic attitude towards freedom of speech. That is, I am opposed to the argument that private corporations are not bound by the first amendment, and therefore it's okay for them to suppress content. I agree that they're not bound by the first amendment (I don't claim to understand the nuances of the "platform" laws so I won't address that), b…

Who decides the truth? When conventional knowledge is fatally flawed, how can it be changed? Democracy is necessarily a battleground of ideas. The alternative is battlegrounds between groups with competing ideas. For this reason, the by-any-means-necessary aspect of modern wokeism is terribly dangerous. What if these fuckers are wrong? Whenever we are urged to discard debate and the free exchange of ideas so that tru…

Please don't use HN for ideological battle. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys the curious conversation that it is for.

(Ditto for nationalistic battle, which I add because made an appearance in your previous comment.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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