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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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I am still surprised that Apple doesn't give the option of non-touchbar. Why is that? A good compromise would be to have both options, imho.

By limiting the customization, it reduces the complexity of supply chains and thus reduces cost.

So where are the savings? Certainly not passed down to the customer.

Plus, Apple is not known for hardware cost-savings as being a primary factor in their key decisions.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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I'm still surprised that so many people are stuck on the Escape key but it's probably no surprise that the ones that are stuck are all developers using vi or emacs. I love the Touch Bar and had no problem adjusting/remapping and find the utility of the Touch Bar for video and audio editing to be invaluable now. I wasn't sold on it before but, over the last year or so, I'll be really disappointed if they remove it. Ad…

I personally use Vi and so do others I hear from (as in HN) but other than that it would probably never come up as an issue. For the record, you can remap Caps lock to Esc which is as good, if not better than escape. I use this on my iPad and other keyboards as well (even with the esc key)

A bit tricky when I have Caps Lock remapped to Control, like any self-respecting emacs user!

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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I am still surprised that Apple doesn't give the option of non-touchbar. Why is that? A good compromise would be to have both options, imho.

I suspect nobody uses that entire row, so if you're not going to do anything with it besides an escape key, you may as well throw in something interesting.

If that's the case where are the external magic keyboards with touchbars?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

I’ve found that the Touch Bar’s fundamental flaw is that it doesn’t handle unintended touches well (which sadly affects multiple Apple technologies, including my Watch and even the trackpad occasionally), and that is directly related to the fact that it has no raised elements. Furthermore, one of its main added features — the ability to do gestures that keys can’t do — just isn’t valuable. I haven’t seen a single exa…

You mentioned the volume/brightness sliders as being imprecise. I don’t have a MBP, but I noticed that touchscreen sliders are really difficult to use accurately. Whenever I slide to a value I wanted, lifting my finger inevitably moves the slider over just a little bit selecting an adjacent value (just by virtue of my finger not being lifted straight up). Is this the issue?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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But can it run MacOS? :)

It probably can, although some tinkering is involved. https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/guide-high-sierra-on-hp-s... https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xznw4/how-to-make-a-hack... But yeah... not easily enough that many consumers would consider doing it over directly buying a mac.

There is a legal aspect too. How long Apple will allow/tolerate this?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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I HATE the touch bar. I simply H A T E it. I hate it so much that I started to carry an TKL keyboard all the time with me just to avoid using this piece of sh*t touch bar and internal keyboard (MBP 2017). As a developer it is crucial that I can use my keyboard without any looks but as there is no way to tell which function key you press on the touch bar the bar itself is completely useless for me. Beside the butterfl…

+1 to TouchBar hate. It was a major factor in "upgrading" my personal machine to a 2020 Air, which is the best (least-worst?) of all worlds: Touch ID + F-keys. Luckily the size/performance tradeoff works for me; but anyone who needs the fastest Mac portable is boned. My work machine is the new 16" MBP, and while the new keyboard is the best they've ever made, and the return of Esc is welcome, the goddamn TouchBar sti…

The UX for volume and brightness on the touchbar isn't as intuitive as I'd expect from Apple, but you can press and slide to adjust them. Took me a few weeks to realize I didn't have to tap the volume or brightness button and then adjust using the up or down buttons.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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What's with the 8th gen processors on the first two models? also the Dota2 screenshot is cool hah

It's unbelievable, and feels like potentially misleading advertising.

My 2019's MBP 16" can't really run Dota2 at the native resolution. The framerate is fluctuating widely, and it frequently drops to less than 30fps for me - without any real action going on and cosmetics equipped. And that's on supposedly much more performant Radeon Pro 5500M, not Intel Iris Plus.

Also, not really cool as the "player" isn't even pretending to play.

Sort of dual signalling going on "if you know what's going on in the picture - you get that it's all BS, otherwise look - you can play* games* on this laptop! shiny!"

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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By limiting the customization, it reduces the complexity of supply chains and thus reduces cost.

So where are the savings? Certainly not passed down to the customer. Plus, Apple is not known for hardware cost-savings as being a primary factor in their key decisions.

> So where are the savings?

Apple is a business and prices its products based on demand. If people are willing to pay a high price, you bet they're going to charge a high price. The savings from not having many hardware variations on a single model are simply accumulated into their bank account.

And they might not cut costs when it comes to the hardware itself, but they are known for having a limited number of options and customizations when it comes to hardware.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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I'm still surprised that so many people are stuck on the Escape key but it's probably no surprise that the ones that are stuck are all developers using vi or emacs. I love the Touch Bar and had no problem adjusting/remapping and find the utility of the Touch Bar for video and audio editing to be invaluable now. I wasn't sold on it before but, over the last year or so, I'll be really disappointed if they remove it. Ad…

I've used the touch bar for years, and frankly, it's provided me zero value whatsoever. The only thing I use it for is occasionally adjusting volume or brightness but of course I can no longer do that without looking down at what I'm manipulating. Third party apps have totally ignored it. The physical escape key is the second useful thing in the entire function row, but hey at least it's got two useful things now (an…

I was of the same opinion as you until I discovered Pock: it's a small tool that puts the dock (and optional controls) in the touchbar. This means I can get more screen real estate while keeping my dock accessible. Frankly I'm now pretty much onboard with the touchbar, except for the probably huge battery consumption.
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