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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by cletus »

tw04 wrote: post #197
alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

> USB-C was all about standardizing.

USB-C is all about having a thinner connector and giving the appearance of standardizing.

Previously if the cable fit, it worked. There were just a bunch of different cables but that had largely settled down to USB-A cables to like 2 maybe 3 connectors on the other end.

Now we have cables that have the same connector on each end but do vastly different things and there's no clue as to what.

- Does it carry data or just power?

- Does it carry a video signal?

- How much data can it carry?

- How much power can it charge?

A USB-C cable that does everything is limited to about 30cm (1 foot) in length, give or take. I know because I use them to connect to a USB-C dock. If I wanted a longer cable to connect to something else, I could. I'd just have to remember not to use it for the dock.

How is this a good user experience?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by MaintenanceMode »

Bringing back the escape key is such a admission of their original screw up. I'm glad they admitted it and reversed the design decision. But I'm still on a 2012 15" MacBook that's running strong. I normally would have updated but using my work 15" has been horrific between the dongles, the keyboard randomly dropping keys (last week "G" would not work, now it's back. The most infuriating thing about the touch bar, out of many things, is the fact that the Escape Key doesn't line up with the upper left, it's offset. So decades of muscle memory has to change by s quarter inch. What a pain in the ass. Yes I'm a vi user.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ruffrey »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #499
shawndellysse wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if only I could get the 16" Pro with the keyboard of the Air. I need a bit more cpu power and ram than the Air can offer sadly. Eh, my mid-2015 MBP with an i7-4780HQ and 16gb of memory will do for now. I occasionally bump into the memory limit but hopefully I can hold out until a fully sane keyboard is an option. Either that or hacklapintosh it

Doesn't the 16" Pro have the new keyboard? Or are there multiple new keyboards around?

I have the 16" and the keyboard is glorious. I came from a 2015 MBP 15" and the keyboard feel is almost the same.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by pier25 »

AnonC wrote: post #390

It looks like the frustrations just add up when you look at different factors. In this lineup, the first two models are the 8th generation processors whereas the top model (starting at $1799) is the one with the latest 10th generation processors (but that still comes with a stingy 512GB SSD). Another thing is that SSD storage on Apple Macs is expensive, and they can no longer be upgraded after purchase (since they ha…

> In this lineup, the first two models are the 8th generation processors

Anyone knows which processors?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by aeyes »

lazerpants wrote: post #522
aguyfromnb wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMHO I think the Touch Bar disappointment is probably over dramatized by developers, it's not too bad a couple years in The touch bar still sucks, but eventually all design decisions Apple makes are justified by users.

They literally just changed the keyboard design because users hated it.

They changed it because on 50% of all machines (stats from our office) the keyboard went bad within a year, causing massive warranty cost for Apple.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by S_A_P »

cletus wrote: post #624
warent wrote: post #579

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I don't understand why people hate the touch bar or the keyboard. It's imperfect yes but the entire MBP keyboard+trackpad layout enables me to be insanely productive. The only reason I don't buy something like a Mac Mini is because I can't get a peripheral keyboard that is the same as the one on the MBP. The only thing I wish it had was a number pad. Maybe you're just not realizing its potential. I definitely recomme…

So there are a couple of glaring problems: 1. The keyboard. Ugh. The keyboard was ostensibly changed to shave half a millimeter off the thickness of an MBP. 0.5mm. The old chiclet keyboard was fine. The new one is basically worse in every way. It's louder, feels crappier to type on, has a high failure rate (as witnessed by Apple's free repair program) and is otherwise expensive to replace. There is absolutely nothing…

Well put. I tried the new 16" keyboard, and while its way better than my 2018 MBP, its still not good enough. Chasing thinness really just seems to be something a select few wanted. As the name implies, I wanted a "Pro" laptop that had high spec processing, ram and storage. What I got is a laptop that doubles as a lap warmer, white noise generator, and user hostile to OS environments other than MacOS. So now I have a mid spec Surface Pro for development, and use the macbook for more creative type endeavors. I wish I could find a way to extract the keyboard from this surface and put it in my macbook. That would make me less annoyed by the heat and fan while running windows.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dkmar »

mns wrote: post #517
hidiegomariani wrote: post #149

I've a macbook pro 13' 2017 - It's the worst laptop I've used in the past 10 years. It continuously gets smoking hot lot of fan noise and very often kernel panics. I have lost faith in apple macbook especially when price to hardware ratio is higher than anyone else in the industry I expect the machine to just work seamlessly. I'm very soon disposing the laptop and buy a dell or a thinkpad. I'm not looking at apple ag…

I also have a 13" from 2018. No issues with it, keyboard works fine and used daily, having a shitty no name 40 Euro 9 USB port dongle, no errors, maybe 3 reboots in all this time. Love it for the portability and somehow like the keyboard. I also have a 16" at home, more powerful, love the screen on it, might seem weird, but I'm not sure which keyboard I like more at this point, I kind of got used with the butterfly.…

I hope your MBP remains that way. I have a 13” 2018 MBP myself and felt similarly up until a week ago.

After evading all the issues that have plagued the butterfly-switched keyboards, I started seeing my “e” key repeating itself every so often.

I made the relevant changes in settings to minimize this, but I’m now seeing occasional repeats on both the “e” key and the “i” key (maybe once every 30 presses). Livable, but it worries me.

I think I’m going to look into their keyboard repair program later today

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ruffrey »

lighthammer wrote: post #615

I'm still using the 2015 Macbook Pro (i7, 16GB RAM, 512 SSD) with an iPhone 6S to supplement. So far, there has not been a reason to upgrade to any newer version of each. Maybe I'm just one of those in a small group that is content with the current experience.

I had the same setup, but the 2015 MBP died. Repair shop said it was the touchpad, then touchpad ribbon. neither fixed it.

2020 MBP 16 "feels" the same just a little faster.

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