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Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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post #49

The implication that race or gender is involved in the firings is pretty silly.

If the firings disproportionately or systemically impact races or genders, the firings can be racist/sexist -- even if race or gender is not involved in the firing decision. Racism and discrimination are related but separate concepts.

> the firings can be racist/sexist -- even if race or gender is not involved in the firing decision

Uh? Can you elaborate?

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

#82
post #25

Why does big always become evil?

Human nature organizing itself within a legal and economic framework. Don't like the result, fix the frameworks. A quote I never get tired of using is, "Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its hand." If you can, be the change.

Perverse incentives and people who have been perverted into pursuing such incentives. The main such incentive is "profit at any cost".

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does everyone assume the actions of the little guy are always morally superior than the actions of the big corporation? I haven't delved into the details of this specific case but this reaction is typical regardless of the facts it seems. The big company is always the evil one and the employees are always little enslaved saints. Edit: Whoops this comment could have been made less controversially - I wish everyone…

When one side has all the power and the other side has none, to pretend that the benefit of the doubt accrues equally to both is an act of moral cowardice.

How about considering the facts of the situation and not generalizing and applying a pre-conceived narrative?

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

#86
I think it would have been more effective if he just 'called in sick' (if that was possible for him) or staged an extended walkout of engineers. I have all my infrastructure on AWS and the prospect that it could all come to a halt immediately and unexpectedly makes me think of other providers or at least spreading my workoad to azure, google, etc.. and that should get Amazon's attention.

I really don't think a single top level engineer voting with his feet will have any measurable impact technically or financially on amazon.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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post #25

Why does big always become evil?

In someways small companies have more potential to be evil, because they often fly "under the radar". "We shouldn’t fetishize mom and pop operations. They offer lower wages, skimpier benefits, and inferior labor protections." See: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/01/small-businesses-workers-...

It is extremely strange to see soi-disant socialists fail to recognize the difference between essential traits of small businesses, and qualities contingent upon a legal regime which socialists themselves argue should be changed in ways which would largely alleviate the problems they describe. Unbinding health care from employment makes it available to everyone, whether their employer can afford a group plan or not. Reforming anti-union legislation means small business employees can unionize effectively across shops. And so on.

I haven't paid Jacobin much attention heretofore. If this article is any representation of how well worth taking seriously they are, I'll continue that policy. This reads more than anything like a Republican caricature of leftist thought.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody "fetishizes" small business. This sounds like big corporation mouthpiece rhetoric. Big business is responsible for wealth concentration and irresponsible economics that hurt everyone. The alternative? Small business. It's easy to see why people might prefer a reality where small businesses continue to exist. Not everyone likes the Orwell novel we're writing.

Big business is also responsible for economies of scale. A small mom and pop shop can't really scale the same way a big business does. Another added benefit is that we get to regulate the products much more without swamping the business in costs they can't afford. So I'm not sure that big business is really "responsible for irresponsible economics that hurts everyone".

Publicly traded companies are profit maximizing machines. Societal wealth has never been higher but the middle class is shrinking. It shouldn't be a surprise, then, when people can't afford to live in their own society. We're facing the natural progression of a society ruled by greed machines: economic depression.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2016/04/11/is-big-...

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#89

Credit is due to anyone willing to sacrifice, no matter how small, for the voiceless and underrepresented.

"When you get these jobs that you have been so brilliantly trained for, just remember that your real job is that if you are free, you need to free somebody else. If you have some power, then your job is to empower somebody else. This is not just a grab-bag candy game.” -- Nobel Prize-winning author Toni Morrison

Brilliant quote - going to use it in the future.

Re: Amazon VP Resigns, Calls Company ‘Chickenshit’ for Firing Protesting Workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps if there were more people like Tim Bray the Death Star might be a little more progressive and might not be the de facto “winning team”.

Just like with politics, those people have a way of letting their personal ethics select them out of the organization they were hoping to change.

Yes and the “noisy exit” is typically the strategy of last resort. Tim Bray is a smart guy, a respected leader, and a proven problem-solver. Imagine all of the other avenues to effect change that he exhausted before deciding to write this blog.
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