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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jes5199 »

bigwheeler wrote: post #277
nonane wrote: post #74

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MagSafe was flawed - I’m glad it’s gone. It had massive reliability issues due to dust getting in between the connectors - which ending up causing charging problems, excessive heat at the charging port and countless charging adapter replacements.

I’m on a 2012 MBP and MagSafe has worked flawlessly for 8 years for me. I think I might hold on to my MBP until it doesn’t boot up anymore, there’s no upside to “upgrading” right now, besides being able to double the ram. MagSafe, 2012 keyboard destroys 2020’s, no Touch Bar, and most importantly- it’s rock-solid reliable.

I had the very last edition magsafe connector on my 2015ish macbook. And _that_ one had the infuriating problem that the charge port got so hot that it would melt the insulation right off of the wire! I replaced the charger every few months, and it just kept happening.

I upgraded to a thinkpad.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by neuronic »

uberduper wrote: post #321
FillardMillmore wrote: post #216

What's the real value in paying more for this compared to getting a new MacBook Air?

I'm wondering the same. My wife has an i5, 16GB, 256GB air showing up today. At the same price of the base 13 pro, I think the air is the better buy. I don't understand why they still sell anything with < 16GB ram in the base config.

This and "why is it DDR3 and therefore why is it a Gen8 CPU?" and "why is the storage so bad?" (256GB base is doubled now but still laughable) and "why cant you just drop the useless TouchBar or at least offer that option?" and maybe also "why do we have 1" bezels in 2020?"

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by swebs »

dpau wrote: post #246
infecto wrote: post #170

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I cannot agree more. At least for myself i would add MacOS as a huge plus over any other laptop. I know many people work in Linux but I just for the life of me cannot make it as comfortable as MacOS.

Yeah, I'm sorry but the idea of dealing with linux compatibility on a laptop or running Windows is a complete dealbreaker for me. despite how bad the macbook pros get i just can't switch.

Good thing the Dell XPS developer edition ships with Linux already set up.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by markandrewj »

tw04 wrote: post #197
alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

The Asus Zenbook, and the Asus Zenbook Duo, seem to expand on the idea in a more useful way. I am a bit surprised we didn't see the Macbook Pro go to a similar design (I.E. using the track pad as a display, or moving the track pad and adding a second display).

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dankohn1 »

deepGem wrote: post #346
tw04 wrote: post #197

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After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

My gripe with the touch bar is that for every IDE you have to customise it to see the function keys by default. It's so damn annoying. Why can't the default layout be just the Fn keys ?

"Settings: Keyboard: Touch Bar shows" lets you permanently set to F keys or (my preference) the Extended Control Strip.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by qubex »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #258
ubercow13 wrote: post #168

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I have an older XPS 13 with a glass screen (same design but previous generation) and one big annoyance is that every time you open the laptop, the screen will have grease marks across the centre where the keys have touched the glass while closed.

Get a sheet of microfiber cloth, cut it to your screen size, and place it over the keyboard/trackpad before closing your laptop.

If you’re into that kind of thing, RadTech makes microfleece screen protectors and sleeves that are already sized appropriately for various Apple products.

https://www.radtech.com/products/screensavrz-macbook-pro-key...

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Ndymium »

deepGem wrote: post #346
tw04 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

My gripe with the touch bar is that for every IDE you have to customise it to see the function keys by default. It's so damn annoying. Why can't the default layout be just the Fn keys ?

You can change it to show the F-keys by default in macOS settings. Then by pressing Fn you can view the "special" mode.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by somehnguy »

jaybeeayyy wrote: post #385
RedneckBob wrote: post #338

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I just purged Apple from my life largely because the touchbar continues to live on. Love my new Lenovo, btw. As a workaround for the touchbar that worked pretty well, I bought a silicon keyboard protector for the Apple Magic Keyboard, cut out the area for the function keys, and used hot glue to glue it over the touch bar. Prevented the touchbar from activating at the slightest touch and did return some of the feel of…

So many homemade tweaks to fix glaring issues in expensive, premium products... Remember the iPhone 4 where you had to hold your phone in a certain way so it wouldn't block the antenna? It's amazing that Apple can pump out products with issues like this year after year and still be a top dog.

You make it sound like Apple is the only one making hardware that has issues sometimes. They simply have to be better than the competition, and most of the time they seem to be.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by philwelch »

qubex wrote: post #345
alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

It really stuns me how “MacOS” doesn’t appear anywhere in the Pros (or the Cons). That’s literally the main discriminant between choosing an Apple machine over any other brand, and there’s no mention of it. By missing that main difference the comparison is reduced to pure comparison of commodities, and of course the result is that the Apple machine is ‘unjustifiably’ more expensive. The Apple ecosystem is literally w…

At this point macOS is just a different list of pros and cons all by itself.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by fluffything »

saddlerustle wrote: post #349
fluffything wrote: post #253

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~~2399$~~ 2999$ (EDIT: see replies) in the US, and.... 3924$ for the same model if you buy it in Europe (3629 EUR). That's a bit outrageous. I still have a Macbook Air 2013, and have been looking for an upgrade for like 5 years, but I was not willing to pay 4k for a laptop with a worse keyboard, a worse power plug, an OS that in 2020 still doesn't have any kind of windows tiling capabilities and quite poor virtual de…

The price $2999 in the US. There's no markup here, Apple's EU pricing just includes 20% VAT ($600) and implicit AppleCare (~$300) as required by EU consumer law.

Thanks for the correction, 2399$ was the price of the comparable Dell modell. The VAT and AppleCare makes sense.
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