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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by PedroBatista »

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #199
bluedino wrote: post #3

Just a spec bump and addition of the Magic Keyboard. Sure, 10th gen CPU and up to 4TB/32GB, but no 6-core CPU, no 14" screen. A lot of people are going to be disappointed.

Spec bump (not even wifi6) is an indicator of a major design upgrade coming in the fall. I expect a significant exterior change or the switch to Arm processors come October.

Not this year, maybe next October and it's still a stretch..

Arrogance is an Apple trademark, but they now have become complacent regarding their products ( not their financial performance though.. )

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by latexr »

jandrese wrote: post #252
latexr wrote: post #192

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> I still miss mag-safe adapters though. I still don't understand that decision. As someone who’s never had a tripping accident with a magsafe charger but has had to replace multiple damaged chargers despite being careful, I welcome that change. Spending 90€ because Apple doesn’t know how (or doesn’t care) to make cables with a modicum of durability isn’t fun. With USB-C, presumably (I don’t own one of these) I could…

Replacing the cable is a lot easier than replacing a damaged port. I don't have enough experience with USB-C devices to know but micro USB ports ended up being too fragile if you have toddlers.

> Replacing the cable is a lot easier than replacing a damaged port.

If you’ve ever had an accident with it, which I never had.

I don’t doubt that removing magsafe is a loss in the aggregate; I’ve only mentioned the alternative is likely to be better for me.

A better option still would be if they made durable magsafe cables. But they don’t, so here we are.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by interestica »

martinvol wrote: post #86
corey_moncure wrote: post #45

It's astonishing how far the MBP has fallen in ten years. My 2010 MBP was and still is the perfect laptop design. Look what Apple has taken away from us: MagSafe, SD card slot, optical audio I/O, RJ45, USB-A, even the top row of our keyboards. What have we gained? The same internal advances that are in every other computer, a gimmicky touch bar, fragile keyboard mechanism, and USB-C. What's really sad is that none of…

Seriously are you missing optical?

What's the alternative? Laser beams and fibre optics are still potentially better than conductive wire. I suspect we will see a resurgence.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by gwd »

tw04 wrote: post #197
alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

So now that I'm mostly working from home, I bought a Thunderbolt monitor, and the setup is actually pretty awesome. The montior has both USB-C and USB-A inputs. I've got a physical network cable plugged and my USB-A mechanical keyboard plugged into the monitor; and of course the monitor also acts as a charger for the laptop.

Boom -- instant docking station: Plugging in a single standard cable gives me power, ethernet, monitor, and external keyboard.

Obviously you have to carry around a USB-C adapter when actually traveling, but if you get a good all-in-one adapter that does ethernet, HDMI, and USB-A, I haven't found it too disruptive. Hopefully the USB-C form factor will take over and then stay as long as USB-A has.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jkelleyrtp »

fartcannon wrote: post #214
infecto wrote: post #170

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I cannot agree more. At least for myself i would add MacOS as a huge plus over any other laptop. I know many people work in Linux but I just for the life of me cannot make it as comfortable as MacOS.

The thing I dont understand about OSX is the Finder situation. It's just awful. Installation is awful, finding applications is awful, navigating to the system folders is awful. It's very much like Windows and it's pretending Desktop is the root folder and then hiding everything behind databases of My Documents. Dont make me jump through hoops to find computery stuff.

Shift-cmd-g, and you can put in any path you like, with autocomplete.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

ashtonkem wrote: post #164
tartrate wrote: post #34

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Apple is still behind Lenovo. They don't have the TrackPoint, only glossy screens, not even 16:9, no Linux support, only one battery instead of two replacable ones, and so on.

I no longer care about removable batteries. I finally recycled my 2011 MacBook Air late last year, after 8 years of hard service doing development work on the go. The battery had half of what it once had, but the CPU and Ram could no longer keep up. Removable batteries were more important back when batteries sucked, now they last the life of the machine.

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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Someone1234 »

dubcanada wrote: post #207
shawndellysse wrote: post #8

So glad they finally got rid of the butterfly keyboard! That said, I cannot wait until they retire the Touch Bar.

What's your problem with the touch bar? My biggest was the lack of esc key, but they adjusted that. I actually really like the touch bar. I don't use it very often, but I never used function keys.

I look at the screen when using a computer, not the top of my hands. Therefore a set of dynamic "keys" aren't adding value to my computer experience, and frankly I'd prefer the physical feedback of a key with actual travel (e.g. standard F# row).

The Touch Bar is, at its core, an anti-pattern for people who cannot touch type and frankly a cop-out because Apple didn't want to add a touch screen (due to the high cost of updating MacOS).

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by rbanffy »

Tepix wrote: post #158

Funny anecdote: Apple offers a trade-in when buying a new Macbook. I decided to have a look. I entered the serial number of my Macbook Air 11" (Late 2010). I confirmed that it boots up, has no defects, has no optical faults and that I will include the power supply. Apple offered 10€ ($12). Yay?! PS: This ancient notebook runs macOS High Sierra with the current 2020-2 security patch and sells for an astonishing 200€ o…

I was a regular contributor to a Brazilian Mac magazine. The tradition on the mailing list was that, for any offer of anything Apple for sale, we'd offer $50.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #275
fluffything wrote: post #253

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~~2399$~~ 2999$ (EDIT: see replies) in the US, and.... 3924$ for the same model if you buy it in Europe (3629 EUR). That's a bit outrageous. I still have a Macbook Air 2013, and have been looking for an upgrade for like 5 years, but I was not willing to pay 4k for a laptop with a worse keyboard, a worse power plug, an OS that in 2020 still doesn't have any kind of windows tiling capabilities and quite poor virtual de…

Sounds like a good business opportunity. What's stopping me from buying them all up at the Apple store and selling them to overseas customers?

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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by xxs »

ashtonkem wrote: post #164
tartrate wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is still behind Lenovo. They don't have the TrackPoint, only glossy screens, not even 16:9, no Linux support, only one battery instead of two replacable ones, and so on.

I no longer care about removable batteries. I finally recycled my 2011 MacBook Air late last year, after 8 years of hard service doing development work on the go. The battery had half of what it once had, but the CPU and Ram could no longer keep up. Removable batteries were more important back when batteries sucked, now they last the life of the machine.

Many laptops offer upgradeable RAM and some upgradeable CPUs. All laptops of my family have upgradeable RAM for instance. SSDs bays and M2 slots as well.

All LiIon batteries are around 80-85% of capacity in around 350-500 charge cycles given a decent controller and no excessive heat (which macbooks are overall bad at).

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