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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by wtetzner » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:26 PM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #197

alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

And yet you still can't charge an iPhone with USB-C.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by criddell » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:26 PM UTC

atoav wrote: post #256

criddell wrote: post #242

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One reason I'll recommend an Apple product over any PC to friends is the Apple Store. Aside from being able to see and play with the hardware, Apple's support experience is better than any PC maker's. Why doesn't Dell open a store in every neighborhood that has an Apple store? They should be able to match the Apple consumer experience, but more importantly (to Dell), they could run business support operations from th…

5 years ago I destroyed my dells screen, thrre was someone driving to my place the same day and he replaced the screen on site and I could work on. Where would apple ever do this?

For years my employer paid for on-site support and when we would call for help, the technician was almost always from some third party service (Unisys?). The experience was rarely good.

Dell should bring that all in-house.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:26 PM UTC

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #162

alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

> and how the new Mac Pro is actually a Pro machine that they're headed back in the right direction (post Jony Ive). Hardly, considering the lack of professional tools support outside Hollywood movie makers.

"Hollywood movie makers" and specifically VFX artists have long moved to linux/windows workstations as the performance on mac side has stagnated until the recent release of the Mac Pro but it was too little too late.

Writers and sound engineers are still firmly in the Mac camp though due to their tools being mac exclusives.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ekvilibrist » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:27 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #275

fluffything wrote: post #253

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~~2399$~~ 2999$ (EDIT: see replies) in the US, and.... 3924$ for the same model if you buy it in Europe (3629 EUR). That's a bit outrageous. I still have a Macbook Air 2013, and have been looking for an upgrade for like 5 years, but I was not willing to pay 4k for a laptop with a worse keyboard, a worse power plug, an OS that in 2020 still doesn't have any kind of windows tiling capabilities and quite poor virtual de…

Sounds like a good business opportunity. What's stopping me from buying them all up at the Apple store and selling them to overseas customers?

Different keyboards for starters?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by fluffything » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:28 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #275

fluffything wrote: post #253

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~~2399$~~ 2999$ (EDIT: see replies) in the US, and.... 3924$ for the same model if you buy it in Europe (3629 EUR). That's a bit outrageous. I still have a Macbook Air 2013, and have been looking for an upgrade for like 5 years, but I was not willing to pay 4k for a laptop with a worse keyboard, a worse power plug, an OS that in 2020 still doesn't have any kind of windows tiling capabilities and quite poor virtual de…

Sounds like a good business opportunity. What's stopping me from buying them all up at the Apple store and selling them to overseas customers?

Ehm, customs? VAT import taxes?

As an individual, I can just by it in the US for personal use, and carry it over. But if you intent to transporting them for selling them, the story is very different.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Simon_says » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:28 PM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #226

alexggordon wrote: post #213

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The best way I can sell Thunderbolt 3/USB-C to myself is that at Apple's size, they need to be able to sell (to consumers, courts, governments) that they aren't being anti-competitive, so by switching to designs that are open and standardized (Thunderbolt 3 is a spec, not a patent) they can better sell their market dominance as not driven by patents and lawyers.

I personally wish Apple would make something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Magnetic-Adapter-Connector-Quick-Char... Before any of you see that and go "awesome, exactly what I was looking for!" - I've had several coworkers try various models of those adapters and all have told me they universally suck. Don't waste your money. I trust Apple could do it with quality - frankly I'd be willing to spend $50+ for a relia…

I purchased that. It doesn't suck. Though, I bet Apple could do better if it were integrated.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by fab1an » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:28 PM UTC

hidiegomariani wrote: post #149

I've a macbook pro 13' 2017 - It's the worst laptop I've used in the past 10 years. It continuously gets smoking hot lot of fan noise and very often kernel panics. I have lost faith in apple macbook especially when price to hardware ratio is higher than anyone else in the industry I expect the machine to just work seamlessly. I'm very soon disposing the laptop and buy a dell or a thinkpad. I'm not looking at apple ag…

Same issues here with a basically maxed-out MacBook Pro 15" 2018. Worst laptop I've ever owned.

Sadly I feel pretty invested in Mac OS as an operating system.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by vel0city » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:29 PM UTC

geerlingguy wrote: post #203

martinvol wrote: post #86

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Seriously are you missing optical?

I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to use an optical drive in the past 5 years. I'm guessing most of us are in a similar situation. For those instances, I pull out an old external USB blu-ray player.

The top level commenter was not talking about an optical drive like CDs or DVDs, they were talking about having optical audio connectivity through a TOSLINK mini plug.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by criddell » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:29 PM UTC

oarsinsync wrote: post #269

atoav wrote: post #256

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5 years ago I destroyed my dells screen, thrre was someone driving to my place the same day and he replaced the screen on site and I could work on. Where would apple ever do this?

This is what a lot of people don't know. If you pay for premium support from Dell, it is significantly better than the support experience with Apple. No having to check for appointment slots each day, hoping to get one two weeks out. No having to arrive at the store at the start of the day, get in the same-day queue, and hope to get seen for a 15 min checkup within 4 hours, and then lose your machine for days, if not…

If an Apple user is having trouble setting up Time Machine, they can book a slot at the store to have somebody help them configure that. Is Dell going to send somebody to my parents home to help them with that?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by fluffything » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:30 PM UTC

ekvilibrist wrote: post #284

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #275

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Sounds like a good business opportunity. What's stopping me from buying them all up at the Apple store and selling them to overseas customers?

Different keyboards for starters?

American layout actually adds value to the laptop in Europe.

You can change the layout in the apple store when buying it here, but that adds 4 weeks to the delivery time..