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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by rootusrootus » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

quicklime wrote: post #183

ubercow13 wrote: post #168

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I have an older XPS 13 with a glass screen (same design but previous generation) and one big annoyance is that every time you open the laptop, the screen will have grease marks across the centre where the keys have touched the glass while closed.

FWIW, this has been a problem on all the laptops I've ever owned, including 4 different MacBooks built between 2011-2019, and a Chromebook Pixel.

And eventually the marks don't wipe off, they remove whatever coating is on the screen. I've had this happen on pretty much every MBP I've ever owned.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by interestica » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

corey_moncure wrote: post #244

geerlingguy wrote: post #203

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I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to use an optical drive in the past 5 years. I'm guessing most of us are in a similar situation. For those instances, I pull out an old external USB blu-ray player.

Optical audio I/O. Many people might not know this, but you could actually plug in an optical S/PDIF cable into your Macbook Pro, on both the "microphone" input and "headphones" output line, to get digital audio in and out.

I had that on an 09 Pro/Unibody. It was kinda brilliant (ha). Imagine such dual type port on a phone...

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jmull » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #158

Funny anecdote: Apple offers a trade-in when buying a new Macbook. I decided to have a look. I entered the serial number of my Macbook Air 11" (Late 2010). I confirmed that it boots up, has no defects, has no optical faults and that I will include the power supply. Apple offered 10€ ($12). Yay?! PS: This ancient notebook runs macOS High Sierra with the current 2020-2 security patch and sells for an astonishing 200€ o…

It probably actually costs them money, when all is done, to take that machine and get rid of it in a reasonably responsible way.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dralley » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:23 PM UTC

ianbooker wrote: post #266

tw04 wrote: post #197

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After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

The day has come. Last year or so ;) Macbook, Ipad Pro, Cheap phone (Moto G / Pixel 3A) everything on my desk shares just one power brick.

There are unfortunately some devices that are nominally USB C but don't actually support the spec properly, like the Nintendo Switch. So some caution is required still.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:23 PM UTC

fluffything wrote: post #253

alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

~~2399$~~ 2999$ (EDIT: see replies) in the US, and.... 3924$ for the same model if you buy it in Europe (3629 EUR). That's a bit outrageous. I still have a Macbook Air 2013, and have been looking for an upgrade for like 5 years, but I was not willing to pay 4k for a laptop with a worse keyboard, a worse power plug, an OS that in 2020 still doesn't have any kind of windows tiling capabilities and quite poor virtual de…

Sounds like a good business opportunity. What's stopping me from buying them all up at the Apple store and selling them to overseas customers?

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by PedroBatista » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

The Apple Tax is becoming so ridiculous even the hardcore fans are getting pissed..

The price/specs don't make any sense even when compared to Apple a couple years ago.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by bigwheeler » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

nonane wrote: post #74

corey_moncure wrote: post #45

It's astonishing how far the MBP has fallen in ten years. My 2010 MBP was and still is the perfect laptop design. Look what Apple has taken away from us: MagSafe, SD card slot, optical audio I/O, RJ45, USB-A, even the top row of our keyboards. What have we gained? The same internal advances that are in every other computer, a gimmicky touch bar, fragile keyboard mechanism, and USB-C. What's really sad is that none of…

MagSafe was flawed - I’m glad it’s gone. It had massive reliability issues due to dust getting in between the connectors - which ending up causing charging problems, excessive heat at the charging port and countless charging adapter replacements.

I’m on a 2012 MBP and MagSafe has worked flawlessly for 8 years for me. I think I might hold on to my MBP until it doesn’t boot up anymore, there’s no upside to “upgrading” right now, besides being able to double the ram. MagSafe, 2012 keyboard destroys 2020’s, no Touch Bar, and most importantly- it’s rock-solid reliable.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by simonh » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

idlewords wrote: post #64

Bragging about a "dedicated escape key", T-shaped arrow pad and better keyboard in the marketing materials for this thing is the very definition of chutzpah.

Now without missing an Escape key!

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by PedroBatista » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:26 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #275

fluffything wrote: post #253

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~~2399$~~ 2999$ (EDIT: see replies) in the US, and.... 3924$ for the same model if you buy it in Europe (3629 EUR). That's a bit outrageous. I still have a Macbook Air 2013, and have been looking for an upgrade for like 5 years, but I was not willing to pay 4k for a laptop with a worse keyboard, a worse power plug, an OS that in 2020 still doesn't have any kind of windows tiling capabilities and quite poor virtual de…

Sounds like a good business opportunity. What's stopping me from buying them all up at the Apple store and selling them to overseas customers?

VAT

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Mon, May 04, 2020, 2:26 PM UTC

atoav wrote: post #256

criddell wrote: post #242

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One reason I'll recommend an Apple product over any PC to friends is the Apple Store. Aside from being able to see and play with the hardware, Apple's support experience is better than any PC maker's. Why doesn't Dell open a store in every neighborhood that has an Apple store? They should be able to match the Apple consumer experience, but more importantly (to Dell), they could run business support operations from th…

5 years ago I destroyed my dells screen, thrre was someone driving to my place the same day and he replaced the screen on site and I could work on. Where would apple ever do this?

This right here. I worked along side IT at a medium/large manufacturing company for my internship and a few times they had Dell support specialists driving out to fix hardware on the spot or give you a new one same day. For their company iPads the support was- "drive a half hour to the nearest Apple store with the shit and hope they can help you."