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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by shawndellysse »

bluedino wrote: post #12
shawndellysse wrote: post #8

So glad they finally got rid of the butterfly keyboard! That said, I cannot wait until they retire the Touch Bar.

The Air has a perfectly sane keyboard.

Yeah, if only I could get the 16" Pro with the keyboard of the Air. I need a bit more cpu power and ram than the Air can offer sadly.

Eh, my mid-2015 MBP with an i7-4780HQ and 16gb of memory will do for now. I occasionally bump into the memory limit but hopefully I can hold out until a fully sane keyboard is an option.

Either that or hacklapintosh it

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by arghwhat »

tartrate wrote: post #34
tsar9x wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, competitors are still behind Apple. They offer worse touchpad, worse screens (it's either 16:9 or weird resolution), no macOS, worse speakers, worse microphone, worse battery.

Apple is still behind Lenovo. They don't have the TrackPoint, only glossy screens, not even 16:9, no Linux support, only one battery instead of two replacable ones, and so on.

I'm fairly sure that the general consensus is that 16:9 is ill-suited for laptops, with 16:10 or 3:2 being the "cool" aspect ratios.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

xxs wrote: post #60
missosoup wrote: post #2

Is it just me or is Apple starting to fall woefully behind non-mac hardware competitors in both price and perf? I used to look forward to these announcements, now it's just 'we upgraded to a +1 generation config (still 1-2 generations behind what others are doing), that'll be 2000 bucks thanks'. Advertising 4 cores and 2018 Iris graphics as if it's some kind of achievement, when competitors have full dGpu solutions a…

>Is it just me or is Apple starting to fall woefully behind non-mac hardware competitors in both price and perf? Since forever... Ok, perhaps adding the SSDs was a great touch. However, Apple is considered a fashion brand, where you pay more for the brand, itself. In virtually any regard Lenovo business laptops are a better price/value proposition: easily extensible - more memory, m2 slots, docking, pcb with conforma…

Honestly not a fan of the Lenovo line. I've always bought their tried and true models, and none of them have held up over time vs my MacBooks.

Sure on the specs/$ they were better, but overall I preferred my macbooks.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by nonane »

corey_moncure wrote: post #45

It's astonishing how far the MBP has fallen in ten years. My 2010 MBP was and still is the perfect laptop design. Look what Apple has taken away from us: MagSafe, SD card slot, optical audio I/O, RJ45, USB-A, even the top row of our keyboards. What have we gained? The same internal advances that are in every other computer, a gimmicky touch bar, fragile keyboard mechanism, and USB-C. What's really sad is that none of…

MagSafe was flawed - I’m glad it’s gone. It had massive reliability issues due to dust getting in between the connectors - which ending up causing charging problems, excessive heat at the charging port and countless charging adapter replacements.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by paulcole »

missosoup wrote: post #2

Is it just me or is Apple starting to fall woefully behind non-mac hardware competitors in both price and perf? I used to look forward to these announcements, now it's just 'we upgraded to a +1 generation config (still 1-2 generations behind what others are doing), that'll be 2000 bucks thanks'. Advertising 4 cores and 2018 Iris graphics as if it's some kind of achievement, when competitors have full dGpu solutions a…

They don’t expect everyone who bought the last computer update to buy this one. I work on a 13” MacBook Air from 2014 and it’s time for an update. $1500 for this feels like exactly what I’ve been waiting for.

When was the last time that over a period of years each update to a MacBook Pro was a monumental upgrade? Maybe early 2000s when they went from PowerPC to Intel? I think you’re just remembering this rosier than it really was.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by t3rabytes »

ly wrote: post #15

Interesting to see they upgraded the RAM, but still kept it LPDDR3, even though all other Macs have DDR4 (except for the MacBook Air, which as LPDDR4X). At this price point I would honestly expect DDR4 in a "Pro" machine.

To get the 32GB of RAM option, you have to select the configs that have the 10th gen chips which change over to 3733MHz LPDDR4X.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jfkebwjsbx »

tsar9x wrote: post #6
missosoup wrote: post #2

Is it just me or is Apple starting to fall woefully behind non-mac hardware competitors in both price and perf? I used to look forward to these announcements, now it's just 'we upgraded to a +1 generation config (still 1-2 generations behind what others are doing), that'll be 2000 bucks thanks'. Advertising 4 cores and 2018 Iris graphics as if it's some kind of achievement, when competitors have full dGpu solutions a…

Well, competitors are still behind Apple. They offer worse touchpad, worse screens (it's either 16:9 or weird resolution), no macOS, worse speakers, worse microphone, worse battery.

Let's ignore no 120/144/240 Hz screens, no good GPU (or any dedicated GPU in most models), no CUDA, no Zen2, no workstation CPUs, no high-capacity RAM, finicky keyboard, bad warranty, no Linux support, bad Windows support, no proper OpenGL, no Vulkan, no Direct3D, no 32-bit software, no Ethernet, no FireWire, no USB-A, no optical drive, no HDMI, no DP, no VGA...

Definitely all advantages!

Let's also ignore all vendors with laptops that have better hardware, better warranty or better prices.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ubercow13 »

lmilcin wrote: post #40
tomstuart wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Magic Keyboard uses scissor switches, not butterfly.

And how do these scissors work with beard follicle? It's all the same to me, really, if it can't survive piece of hair. For the past 20 years I have been using Thinkpads. My last one is T440s which I bought immediately it was available and still wait for it to die. I would like a MBP but seeing what the Thinkpad went through I just don't think so. I spilled stuff on it not once but twice, once hot latte and once a li…

T440s also uses scissors like almost every laptop

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by paulcole »

idlewords wrote: post #64

Bragging about a "dedicated escape key", T-shaped arrow pad and better keyboard in the marketing materials for this thing is the very definition of chutzpah.

So when they leave the escape key out people complain and when they include an escape key people complain?

At least Apple seems to have listened to customer feedback here.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by kstenerud »

I bought an Honor Magicbook for half the price. It's lightweight, has a beautiful case, proper touchpad (so I don't use my external apple touchpad anymore), nice keyboard, long battery life, and I can run whatever OS I want on it (I'm using Ubuntu atm, but I might try Fedora). It has usb-c, usb-a, hdmi, and headphone jacks. Everything just works.

I gave up on Mac when they broke their keyboards and started locking me out of everything. Once my macbook died, I never looked back.

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