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Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#101
Different things work for different people, but I'll give you my two cents. I got through college entirely through self study.

What works for me is reading a textbook and re-writing out any concept in the textbook in my own words until I understand it. Afterwards I do practice problems or a project to ensure I'm not lying to myself about my understanding.

If I can, I only do one topic until I'm sure I've solidified my knowledge to a sufficient degree that I won't forget it when I shift my main focus to something else.

Lastly but most importantly is be ok with failure. When you fail to learn something, take a break and then come back approaching it from an entirely different angle.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#102

I'm hoping my reply is more helpful than it sounds at first glance... This is one of those questions where I read and then exclaim (rhetorically), "what's wrong with people?!" Don't take this the wrong way, I often exclaim this. You are quite possibly in the majority and I'm the odd one. To me it has always seemed inherently clear that the way to approach life is to do something if you enjoy it. If you stop enjoying…

I want to add some clarification for everyone in the "normal" boat, because I think I learn in the same way as parent:

Specifically what "enjoy" is being attributed to... which is _not_ the end result, but the _process_. You can't pick this up front, you have to just play and throw things away like you don't care (and you really don't care), just keep trying things until it feels enjoyable. I suspect people get stuck running uphill because they focus on end results rather than the process. In the most extremely obvious case, if you ask most kids what they want to be when the grow up (the end result) they predictably say astronaut or some lofty, hard to attain but awesome sounding end result, even though they have absolutely no idea if they would enjoy the process of becoming and being an astronaut.

... Focus on the process, i.e play, and care about nothing other than interest and enjoyment, you cannot pick the precise end result, you can only roll the marble along the most effective path to an unspecified "good" result.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#103
I have ADHD, and I used to worry about wanting to learn everything. After many years of attempting to do so, I found out that there simply isn't enough time to do it all. The surface area is too broad, and there are too many demands in life that will take priority. Without focus, it won't be as easy to excel in a particular area.

Instead, use projects to drive your learning, otherwise your knowledge will atrophy as you attempt to learn subjects broadly. Hands on learning will be more productive as it integrates all of your senses.

Figure out what you want to do. That isn't to say your interests can't change, but your learning should benefit your current objectives.

You might find that what you work on requires interdisciplinary understanding, and in that case you might integrate a broader field of skills. But let your projects guide you to that, otherwise you're making a premature optimization. Perhaps an incorrect one.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#104
My solution: I commit to a meetup talk in on the topic.

- meetups are open & friendly. They are more than cool with “I am learning X” informal talks without too much judgment or pressure

- the deadline still makes me bust my ass

- I dont believe I know anything unless I can teach it, a meetup talk means I need to communicate my understanding, which means I actually learn it

Nothing happens without a deadline with real social consequence. My buddies call this “embarrassment driven development”

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#105
I often feel this way. I think it helps _a lot_ to have an effective task management system.

Why? There is this thing called the Zeigarnik effect. The Zeigarnik effect states that unoccupied tasks tend to overwhelm your conscious thought. When you have too much stuff to do you get overburdened and stressed and start watching Youtube. (I've definitely been there).

How do you deal with the Zeigarnik effect? Well, you can complete the task, but that's often a tall order. There's been research that shows that simply having a plan for how to complete a task helps you overcome the Zeigarnik effect.

How do you make sure you have a plan for all your open tasks/projects? This is where the task management system comes in. I'll tell you a few that I've tried and the software I use.

I think the two biggest systems for managing your todo list are Agile (adapted for personal use) and Getting Things Done (GTD).

I have been using a person Agile system for about two years now. It has definitely helped with stress a lot. I have weekly "sprints" where I plan what I want to do for the week. I review every week - what went well and what can be improved. I have a backlog with all the tasks that I want to work on divided up by projects. I also have a board for projects and what state they're in - TODO, in progess, done.

GTD is another system that I've been meaning to read about. What I know so far is that it's basically a flow chart for each item you have to do. There are lists for items in different categories - projects, backlog, current work.

The key point is that both of these systems _never leave a task incomplete_. By "incomplete", I mean not finished or reviewed. Yes, reviewed. If you recall, these are exactly the two ways of eliminating the Zeigarnik effect and the stress it entails.

Furthermore, with an effective task management system, you gain confidence and momentum in seeing your record of complete projects stack up. (I sometimes scroll back on previous years just for fun).

What about software? I started out using Trello. It's simple, free, and has almost no learning curve. I have a board for my sprint, backlog, and projects. On my sprint board, I have 3 lists - TODO, in progress, and done. At the end of the week, I move the done list to the completed board. Then I have a visual record of everything I've completed over the past year (I make separate completed boards for each year).

However, I've been slowly trying to convert all my stuff to org-mode in Emacs. Look up org-mode if you're unfamiliar with it. It's very popular among GTD enthusiasts.

In short, have a plan for everything you're working on, keep a "scoreboard" or list of things you've accomplished, and review constantly - review each task at the EOD and review on a weekly basis at least.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#106
Not sure how helpful this is, but I make a list of all the most pressing things I want to learn and everyday I'll look it over and choose whatever I feel like doing for however long I want.

The point here isn't efficiency, this is basically the bare minimum I think one can do while still learning and making progress, i.e. you don't need to follow a rigorous schedule or cultivate a great deal of self discipline if you enjoy the task. Doing even 20 minutes is always better than nothing at all.

Do this and slowly build up discipline by pairing it up with consistency.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#107
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok I enjoy watching YouTube, so I will do that

Andrew Ng. Machine Thinking. 8-Bit Guy. Ben Eater. Jeri Ellsworth. I do some of my best learning with YouTube.

I enjoy these sort of channels, but I would say I ever "learn" anything from them.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#108
post #27

I've been in a similar boat - wanted to share what I found worked for me, perhaps it helps. I constantly found myself in the following loop: 1) Motivated to study, study productively 2) Several days / weeks later productivity stops (for any number of reasons) 3) Quickly forget everything I learnt over the next month or so 4) Back at stage 1, feeling I have 'wasted' the last few months. My big problem was the _forgett…

Strong +1. I constantly felt like I was wasting time by studying and then stopping since I would forget 95% of what I learned. With a small daily investment, Anki flips that percentage to retaining 80-90%. It has been an insane boon to my motivation, and I've been able to keep a near-daily habit of doing it for 6 years now.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#109
I have struggled with similar issues for years. I have a kinda weird take on the topic, but I think it might be helpful. I think the “persistence paradigm” we’re living through causes these sort of psychological short circuits where we forget that what we’re doing is building our minds and not building some external edifice or monument that we can point to as our “knowledge”. There is never going to be a moment where you can point at your stack of notebooks or answers to textbook questions or list of books you’ve read and say “I’ve done it, I’ve learned so much”. The widespread behavior of persisting moments of our lives out into cyberspace has sort of bled into our psychologies. I think this is partially why you see so many people struggling with these sorts of questions.

So the short answer I think is to focus on a process of daily improvement instead of some systematic program for self study. Just read 60 minutes a day, journal 30 minutes a day, and place absolutely no restrictions on the subject matter. For a while I also burned my notebooks every 30 days, that was really helpful. These days I actually do record a lot of my thoughts but I try not to get bogged down too often in the systemization of the practice.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#110
Right now I'm trying to leverage all the temporarily free COVID learning courses. Qwiklabs etc.

I do struggle much like you though - there is just way to much stuff catching my interest & I end up getting distracted by another learning opportunity while pursuing a learning opportunity.

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