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Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by naasking » Sat, May 02, 2020, 3:08 PM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #52

naasking wrote: post #25

Gemini sounds neat. Not sure I'll continue playing with it, but from the spec I have a couple of suggestions you are free to implement or ignore. # Denial of Service Permitting zero or more whitespace characters in a request a introduces a denial of service because the request is no longer bounded. Just keep sending whitespace to keep the connection open. Mandating a single character closes this particular hole. It's…

I like your first suggestion, the rest don’t sound so great to me. It’s simple now, let’s keep it like that.

Sure, it's simple, but a stated goal is power to weight ratio. Transclusion definitely fits under that. Authoring and organizing information with transclusion is so much easier than without, because it avoids much of the need for special tooling to assemble a final document from fragments that might be reused. It's too unwieldy for very large documents though, so it's perfect for authoring small to medium sized documents, which fits right in with Gemini's goals.

There are many ways to handle it client-side:

1. Behaviour like iframes, although I don't like the tracking implications.

2. Origin server fetch, as I mentioned.

3. Another possibility is to render it as a button which the client must trigger to load the document.

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by thefounder » Sun, May 03, 2020, 4:23 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #19

heavenlyblue wrote: post #16

It’s like religion - one of the reasons they say Christianity won over Judaism is because they didn’t require one to circumcise before the initiation. Yet both are equally rejecting of any other religion.

Judaism is also quite "racist". There is only one "chosen" people. Everyone else would be/is a second citizen. Who would join a religion to be 2nd citizen?

I'm not saying that Jewish people are racist but (as far as I read) "in Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. chosen to be in a covenant with God."

Apparently "God" decided that not all the people are equal. I could adopt Judaism customs but I would could never be descent from ancient Israelites. This reduces the number of people interested to join Judaism. That was my whole point.

As far as discrimination/racism is concerned I think most of the religions(inclusing Judaism and Christianity) have some extreme(i won't name them) and less extreme (i.e interfaith marriage) views but fortunately most people care less about them(and religion in general) and more about their well-being/getting along with everybody.

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by x3blah » Sun, May 03, 2020, 10:15 PM UTC

x3blah wrote: post #50

colinplamondon wrote: post #13

This is so intensely cool. Urbit was on its own island until recently - the only project challenging the domination of WWW. This + Tildeverse feels like the very, very, very early days of hackers starting to play with alternate protocols, and the style and format of WWW. It's fun, non-commercial, social, and aimed at hobbyists - just like the early WWW. Given another 10 years of experimentation, I could 100% imagine…

"Given another 10 years of experimentation, I could 100% imagine WWW being seen as corporate, commercial and professional space." Excerpt below is from the file /scripts/web included with the original netcat in 1995. #! /bin/sh ## The web sucks. It is a mighty dismal kludge built out of a thousand ## tiny dismal kludges all band-aided together, and now these bottom-line ## clueless pinheads who never heard of "TCP ha…

Incidentally, "Netscum" is a reference to Netscape Communications Corporation. They introduced SSL. This company was founded to commercialise a web browser, called NCSA Mosaic, that was originally co-written by venture capitalist Marc Andreesen of a16z.com as part of an academic project at U. of Illinois. The name "Mosaic" refers to its support for a variety of internet protocols, not all of them web-based. Netscum code-named their derivative browser "Mozilla", marketed under names like "Navigator" and "Communicator".

Fearing the growth of the web, Microsoft acquired rights to use the NCSA Mosaic code and produced a derivative browser called "Internet Explorer", which they included as part of Windows.

As web use grew, Mozilla Foundation, who inherited rights to publish the Netscape source code, added a "search box" to their derivative browser called "Firefox" and started directing search queries to Google, receiving large payouts in return. Mozilla Corporation was formed.

Google later hired developers from Mozilla to write another derivative browser called "Chrome".

Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol

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Post by armitron » Wed, May 13, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

When people go back to using Gopher, you know the Web has turned to shit. I hope something good can come from these alternative protocols, a new space where oldtimers like me can focus on honest information exchange (what the Internet used to be), without the corporate behemoths tracking our every move.

Google's motto used to be "to organize the world's information". It's a daily occurrence where I'm wasting enormous amounts of time because Google search produces results of such low quality as to defy belief (startup opportunity right there, it's gotten so bad somebody should eat their lunch by doing a better search).

I'm yearning for an alternative that's close to what I experienced two decades ago.