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Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#71
Your problem sounds like some combination of "I don't know what to work on" and "I wish I already knew X."

For the latter problem, unfortunately, there's no royal road to mathematics, as they say. If you want to learn something, you're going to have to put in the time. My biggest advice here is to make sure you're applying the knowledge somehow. If you're studying something but never putting it into practice (and the study is not its own reward), then you're going to be frustrated later when you try to use all of these skills you think you understand. Kent Beck has a good quote about technique and discipline. He says, essentially, no book about gardening, no matter how good it is, will make you a gardener. You have to pull some weeds and trim some hedges. Maybe join a community of gardeners and learn about the practice of others. That's what makes you a gardener. This doesn't apply if you're just learning for the sake of learning, of course, but it sounded to me like you actually wanted to master a technique.

For the latter problem, it sounds like you're finally running into the reality that your time on this earth is a scarce resource. I don't mean that to be condescending; it didn't sink in for me until I was about 30. But the reality is that you won't be able to do everything, and tracking your progress really isn't the problem. You're going to have to choose precisely the things you want to do. But here's the thing: that choice is not permanent and almost certainly will not hold over your entire life. I like two quotes by Seneca and Thoreau (respectively) here. Thoreau says that a wise man remembers that the sun rose clear, and Seneca said that each day is a stage upon life's journey. Those may sound like cliches, but you need to really understand them. Every day you get a fresh start and you get to choose what matters to you. If every day you wake up and decide "I want to know ML mathematics," then by all means do that. Figure out what you already know and what you need to know next. But it's OK if these things change from one day to the next. That's part of the journey of life.

Last but not least, I got some good advice from the books "How to Get Lucky" and "Refuse to Choose." The latter was about imposing some structure on yourself if you truly get stuck deciding in the moment. I don't give myself a hard schedule, but I pick 6-12 things I want to work on (because I'm a person with a lot of natural interests) and I stick to what I'm doing for about 30 minutes. That gives me enough structure to force myself to follow through and not feel like I'm missing out on my other passions. And lastly when I'm really stuck about which thing to do next, I list my options and flip a coin. If you have problems with decisiveness like I do, this sounds stupid but it will move you out of your head and into action. It's a meaningless superstition but it works.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#72
I used to be in the same boat. I wanted desperately to have a process to follow that would help me prioritise what I should be working on. Now, looking back, I feel like I was over-thinking things. Like, a lot.

It sounds like you already have a list of things you want to work on, which is fantastic. Most people don't have that at all. The next step, in my opinion, is to pick the item that you're most curious about, and do that. If you're still having a hard time deciding which one to go with, it's probably one of the ones you keep thinking about. Maybe you shelved it at one point, but it keeps bubbling up in your brain while you're falling asleep or going for a walk. Do that one for now, and look forward to the second item on your list while you're working on it. If there are several that give you this feeling, just pick one of them. It doesn't matter all that much, as long as you find it interesting.

Your list will keep growing, and you'll never make it all the way through, but if you let your curiosity guide you rather than some sort of logic-based methodology, you'll always enjoy what you're working on, and you'll find yourself looking forward to discovering where your curiosity takes you next.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#73

I'm hoping my reply is more helpful than it sounds at first glance... This is one of those questions where I read and then exclaim (rhetorically), "what's wrong with people?!" Don't take this the wrong way, I often exclaim this. You are quite possibly in the majority and I'm the odd one. To me it has always seemed inherently clear that the way to approach life is to do something if you enjoy it. If you stop enjoying…

I don't think enjoyment is the guide we should always use for deciding what to do. That is one aspect of our lives that is important to maintain, but a lot of satisfaction in life comes from things that aren't 'enjoyable' in the strictest sense, especially not in the moment that you are doing the action. Hard work, selflessness, and sacrifice doesn't usually feel enjoyable in the moment, but can lead to a more satisfying life.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#74
Get good sleep. Eat well. Don't drink and expect to be productive. See a therapist. Exercise. Get fresh air. Take allergy medication if you need it.

There's a lot of wonderful techniques and software out there but the most important optimization is the foundation of good health, mental and physical. My memory has improved so much with consistent sleep. A plant based carb light diet helps so much with energy and focus.

Then take some time to consistently study a little. I've started setting a daily calendar event to read a book.

Don't worry too much if you're not focused these days. It's a pretty stressful moment in time.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#75
I keep a running categorized list in Apple Notes. Several times a week I will add new items to it. Typically they’re links to blogs or YouTube, categorized by tech, leadership, coding, productivity & misc. When I find quiet time, on vacation or during a slow weekend, I’ll chip away at the list. It grows faster than I can keep up with...probably not a good sign but beats no list at all.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok I enjoy watching YouTube, so I will do that

Do you really enjoy watching YouTube, or is it just easy to fire up their home page and click on recommended videos with promising titles that ultimately leave you unfulfilled, lonely and disillusioned? Are you wondering how to break this cycle of content consumption? Do you need a break from the hedonistic treadmill of social media?

Quite a few leading questions there! I'm sure you have probably touched a nerve for us all at one point or another but why not go easy on the attack and dive in with some empathy? Or why not play silly buggers with randomish thoughts:

Perhaps we could come up with a trail of breadcrumbs that touches on decent YT vids. By leaving carefully coded comments. warms to idea That would leave the trail in YT itself which would self heal if multiply pointered properly, ie each point has a link forwards, backwards and to, perhaps a hub to use in the event of a bigger outage.

The above might be far more fun to deploy than a search engine or an old school WAIS/Gopher. After a while the host would cotton on and decide to either encourage or thwart. Game on!

sips more wine OK so who fancies playing stenography style games with YT comments to generate guided courses using YT vids?

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#77
About as well as I managed "self-study" in college. Poorly.

However, if covid has done anything it's broken me enough by spending enough time at home to break my bad ADHD fueled habits.

If anyone else has a rigid discipline or advice for how to keep up a streak of improvement I'm all ears!

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#78
post #77

About as well as I managed "self-study" in college. Poorly. However, if covid has done anything it's broken me enough by spending enough time at home to break my bad ADHD fueled habits. If anyone else has a rigid discipline or advice for how to keep up a streak of improvement I'm all ears!

Schedule it, regularly. And actually write it down and mark it on a piece of paper or in your calendar. Then make a check on a whiteboard, or on a desk calendar each day you do it, building a streak you don't want to break.

This has really helped me rein in my focus, at least partially.

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#79
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok I enjoy watching YouTube, so I will do that

What kind of videos you watch? Maybe that could guide you to find something which interests you.

I recently heard the advice to do some forensics on yourself -- bookmarks, search history, youtube history, to figure out what kind of person you are (in the context of what work would suit you best).

Re: Ask HN: How do you manage self-study?

#80
post #51

I'm hoping my reply is more helpful than it sounds at first glance... This is one of those questions where I read and then exclaim (rhetorically), "what's wrong with people?!" Don't take this the wrong way, I often exclaim this. You are quite possibly in the majority and I'm the odd one. To me it has always seemed inherently clear that the way to approach life is to do something if you enjoy it. If you stop enjoying…

Most things that are fun, and almost everything that is amazing, require periods of not-fun to get there. Practicing a musical instrument, falling while snowboarding, getting up early to be on the mountain for the sunrise. The original poster is asking for ideas to help build enough discipline to power through the tough spots of a learning curve to get to where the proficiency pays off in enjoyment or other benefits.…

> Practicing a musical instrument

This is not fun?

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