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Ask HN: Why can't I send faxes from my phone?

#1
on occasion i've had need to send faxes. most of the time i don't have access to a fax machine and so i end up paying some service that'll let me upload a pdf and charge me $10 for 50 pages.

what is it about fax technology that i can't just program my phone to send a fax? what are fax machines doing that i can't emulate in software???

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I send faxes from my phone?

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To send a fax you need access to a handhshaked landline. A direct wire between the stations. Faxes synchronize themselves, send data and test the bit, makeing sure it is properlt placed in the data queue, and send the next and so on =handshake. Suggest you look up old fax synchronization and I tossed my last muirhead rotary in 1982 - used it for weather maps.https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/fax/history-of...

Newspapers have used it since the 1800's in one for or another. Wire-Photo https://antique-photos.com/en/helpful-info/476-wire-photos.h... This is a relic of the old Muirhead rotary scanning fax machines abd the same standard persists. This is hard to do via radio. So radios send a pdf to a fax service. I have a fax service for $10 a month, I send it via desktop or mobile, and receive the same way as a pdf. With a mobile printer or office printer you get hard copy. https://www.myfax.com/features

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I send faxes from my phone?

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The lossy compression on phone calls might prevent fax from working. Also, I don't know if you can route call audio from anywhere other than the microphone.

HQ audio quality (over 4G) is markedly better than land lines, and the fax protocol has had error correction since digital formats were adopted in the 60s and 70s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax

My Palm Pilot (with a CDPD backpack) and candybar 2G Nokia could both send FAXes.

I suspect there's no demand.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I send faxes from my phone?

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post #3

The lossy compression on phone calls might prevent fax from working. Also, I don't know if you can route call audio from anywhere other than the microphone.

HQ audio quality (over 4G) is markedly better than land lines, and the fax protocol has had error correction since digital formats were adopted in the 60s and 70s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax My Palm Pilot (with a CDPD backpack) and candybar 2G Nokia could both send FAXes. I suspect there's no demand.

As a reference point, if you have a cellphone plan with minutes but no data plan, it's not really feasible to dial a 56k-modem endpoint, as it makes use of frequencies that are chopped by the voice codec.
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