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Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

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Re: Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

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I really appreciate this piece as there's a lot of the world of oil I don't understand. One thing I don't understand is, why is it favorable for OPEC not to cut supply? Is it they want to crush all non OPEC based producers? Or are their buyers forced to buy at a particular price so they don't care if they keep producing?

Many games are being played by many players.

It's a much more complicated prisoner's dilemma.

Many of the oil producing countries are nearly entirely reliant on oil sales for their economies and national budgets. Something like, yes, you could optimize month to month prices with high cooperation cutting equitable amounts. But.

For some states it's like agreeing to starvation, no matter what they do prices are too low to pay the bills. Many of them only maintain their power because of oil money. And for some, losing money now means they can bankrupt or seriously disrupt their competition meaning they will make more money over a longer period.

So if you're starving there's a strong motivation do cheat. Everybody else cuts production, prices go up, and you sell everything you can to take advantage.

And remember we're talking about price fixing cartels here. Illegal in much of the world. Opec cuts would mean North American profits, because we obviously don't participate.

It is, as the author writes, now much more likely for some of these oil states to fail completely. Revolutions, civil wars, regional wars. States which had leverage over the US because of oil are seeing that evaporate with this oversupply and price crash.

And longer term, but not that far out is both some of these countries running out of oil and oil demand worldwide tending much much much lower as oil is phased out as an energy source. These oil countries see the impending permanent decline in oil demand and the immediate future is their chance to extract as much as they can out of their natural resource which each year will become less valuable and less relevant.

Re: Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

#53
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that is possible but.... what is the end game? The oil is still there, they ability to extract it exists... so company A goes out of business, but once the countries tire of shooting themselves in the foot and prices rise, Company B will just extract it. At best they spite company A, but didn't change much.... maybe they make a few bucks while company B ramps up. And that all assumes other nations play along.…

Economic warfare - end game is causing economic harm to the US and its interests. If everyone loses their jobs in the energy industry in the US, that forces the US to buy oil from foreign entities. The US energy industry cannot exist beyond 3-6 months with sub 20 dollar oil prices.

I'm not sure I follow.

Once prices rise again it becomes profitable to extract again....and all Russia got were their own losses... and if other nations don't play along, maybe more losses.

Ultimately Russia can't stop the US from having a supply of oil anymore than the US can stop Russia.

Re: Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

#54
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding, over the last decade, shale has become a force to be reckoned with in North America (US, Canada). This is seen as a competitive threat to other global energy producers. Saudi Arabia and Russia both have sufficient cash reserves to be able to just dump a glut of crude oil on the market at "fair market value" and exist with the depressed prices and are ok with making no money to basically complet…

that's true but the oil is still there and the extraction tech perfected. Maybe the existing players go bankrupt today but when prices come back up someone else will get a loan and turn the wells right back on. Fracking and the other technological breakthroughs have put a price ceiling on oil below which OPEC can afford.

I think it is more challenging than you expect. This tactic has likely skuttled or delayed any development projects in the works. Future investors will be more cautious if they think the market can drop out at any time

Re: Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

#56
post #3

I really appreciate this piece as there's a lot of the world of oil I don't understand. One thing I don't understand is, why is it favorable for OPEC not to cut supply? Is it they want to crush all non OPEC based producers? Or are their buyers forced to buy at a particular price so they don't care if they keep producing?

There are too many producers...OPEC only produces 30% of the global oil supply. The USA has proven that it can ramp up to meet large shortage in global supply very rapidly with fracking. And there are _thousands_ of oil companies in the USA, so it's difficult to collude with all of them.

Basically, OPEC needs a situation where they can reduce supply by 10% and get more than 10% increase in price. Otherwise they may increase the price, but still lose revenue overall. Over the past two decades they've tried this many times, but it hasn't worked. Russia and the US always increase production enough in response to keep the rise in prices relatively low.

As oil is generally an inelastic commodity, they may be able to reduce their production by something appalling, like 2/3rds reduction. Then they would need, and probably actually get, a global oil price 3 times what it was previously in order to maintain revenue. However, previously that meant an oil price of $180-300/bbl which would in turn cause a global recession and reduce demand. Even if oil is very inelastic, at some point people would stop driving/flying/using energy.

So really, there was no longer any way for OPEC to function as a cartel. The US effectively broke the cartel when it succeeded at being the new "swing producer" able to ramp up and down production in OPEC has been trying to work with Russia to establish a new "OPEC+" that might control enough market, but it's incredibly difficult to keep all players honest. And impossible in a coronavirus market where demand is down so much (no one is flying even with nearly free oil).

Lastly, the US is starting to consider joining OPEC+. It's not something I previously thought was possible, because there's not one national petroleum company in the USA to negotiate with, there's thousands or tens of thousands of oil companies to negotiate with (some are just mom+pop oil companies which own two wells on an old plot in Pennsylvania, for example).

However, just as we sometimes pay farmers not to farm, or pay dairy farmers not to produce milk, we are considering paying oil companies to leave oil in the ground: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/493187-trump-a...

This would effectively be the US joining OPEC+ to artificially prop up the price of oil (and thus, subsidize the government budgets of Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and other oil producing nations with American consumer's wallets). It does not seem to be a policy in serious contention, however. I don't expect the USA to follow through on these ideas.

Re: Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

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What happened to Iran between 2018 and 2019?

The author links to data [1], which states that Iran needs $319 / barrel oil to balance its budget. Between 2018 and 2019, this number jumped from $67 (In line with the rest of the region) to $244.

I feel like this statistic was trotted out and means something different from what I'd casually read it as.

Iranian exports fell significantly between 2018 and 2019 [2], it seems because of the fallout of the Iran nuclear deal and resumed sanctions [3]. There was a 69% decrease (1800 units to 570 units), which, means the calculated number would be ~3x higher, or about $211 a barrel. Which means the "statistic" doesn't really tell us what we think - that Iran can only profitably produce oil at >$200 a barrel - but that US sanctions have crippled Iran's ability to use oil as a primary source of national income.

To be fair, I'd love to see the author do the math on US oil. Actually, I'll take a stab at it. If the US tried to balance its physical budget (Let's say $984B in 2019 [3]) based entirely on increasing the price of current US oil exports (770,000 barrels a day [4]), how much would the price of oil need to rise?

770,000 barrels a day * 365 = 280M barrels of oil

$984B/280M barrels of oil = $3,514

The US would need to make an additional $3514 per barrel of oil to balance its physical budget, which is an increase from $63 a barrel to $3,577 a barrel.

Can you imagine a journalist writing this as a supporting figure? "US, implied to be a failing state as it is the largest number here, requires $10,000 a barrel oil to balance budget". Yes, that statement is a bit biased, but I'm willing to defend that this is how the US media most often interfaces with Iran.

One critique I would expect is along the lines of "Iran is more dependent on oil for its economy". Iran's GDP is 23% oil [6], whereas the US is around 8% [7]. I think the story still stands out as a bit insane, even if we adjust for "Expected contribution by GDP %", which would still put us well-north of $1,000 a barrel oil.

I don't mean to state that this is my fully-formed opinion, yet, but I think it is worth discussing these either (A) misleading (B) uninterpretable without far greater work "data facts" actually add little value to the story, and instead (seem to) further a narrative. This is in opposition of the traditional scientific approach, where we state our expectation and validate or invalidate that conclusion, with the author being expected to prove instead of just say something with "QED" implicitly attached. This critique, now, seeks to be a more general one: Data-driven media seems be misunderstood as a narrative where the data is in the driver's seat -- in reality it has let anyone ride shotgun as long as they get along with the driver.

[1] https://data.imf.org/regular.aspx?key=60214246

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IRNNXGOCMBD

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

[4] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42735

[5] https://countryeconomy.com/raw-materials/brent?dr=2019-11

[6] https://tradingeconomics.com/iran/gdp

[7] https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/taxes/oil-and-nat...

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Re: Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

#58
post #3

I really appreciate this piece as there's a lot of the world of oil I don't understand. One thing I don't understand is, why is it favorable for OPEC not to cut supply? Is it they want to crush all non OPEC based producers? Or are their buyers forced to buy at a particular price so they don't care if they keep producing?

Oil price is down because SA and Russia have a disagreement. Russia want to produce more barrel. On top of that, the Covid19 happened. Some theorized that SA and Russian pumping more oil was a plan to kill USA's fracking and shale industry. I'm just hoping it'll force us to move toward renewable so we won't be dependent on these countries.

I don't see this.

Saudi Arabia has been producing around 10.5 million barrels per day fairly consistently-ish for the last 5 years. If anything it's a bit lower over the past 12 months vs the 60 month average: https://ycharts.com/indicators/saudi_arabia_crude_oil_produc... So that theory is right out, imo.

Russia has increased production only 7-8% in the last 5 years. https://ycharts.com/indicators/russia_crude_oil_production

USA has increased production 54% since the beginning of 2016. https://www.macrotrends.net/2562/us-crude-oil-production-his...

I'd investigate what you're reading that gave you the impression that Russia and SA increased production drastically in order to tank USA. It's likely the sources are providing misinformation.

Re: Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

#59
post #2

Additional detail: The author was one of the architects for major pieces of the Iraq war, including the surge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan_O%27Sullivan

Interesting. So why is this person not shunned from her industry for being partly responsible for a geopolitical disaster?

It's akin to taking business advice from Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling.

Re: Oil's Collapse Is a Geopolitical Reset in Disguise

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islamic_Republic_of_... (edited to 2017) 79% of their exports is unrefined crude oil. While exports are not always the whole story, in this case it is extremely relevant. If Iran's economy was 99% domestic and 1% trade, (essentially autarkic) then it wouldn't really matter at all what the price of oil is, as Iran makes everything it needs for itself, whether that be aut…

All oil and gas exporters become dependant on that revenue. It's human nature to spend it all.

Norway stands as an obvious counter example; they’ve invested a huge amount of their oil money into a sovereign fund, and have a fairly robust economy too.
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