Operating Systems Without Systemd

Post by RunningDroid » Sat, May 02, 2020, 7:50 PM UTC

microcolonel wrote: post #53

Teknoman117 wrote: post #23

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Pretty much. There are components of systemd I really like. systemd-logind is really neat, it makes dealing with drm (direct rendering) devices nice by having a service where you can request access to GPUs without bumping into the problem of one process opened the endpoint and has exclusive control. It also makes dealing with machine events like closing your laptop's screen simple if you use a minimalistic window man…

> udev really shouldn't hard depend on systemd. I perfectly understand having some systemd specific integration, but why make it mandatory? udev is part of systemd now, because the systemd developers were the only ones willing to maintain it.

Post by viluon » Sat, May 02, 2020, 9:55 PM UTC

majewsky wrote: post #110

isbjorn16 wrote: post #77

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Then it should be on by default. Having to use journalctl instead of reading a plaintext file in /var/log should have resulted in a swift slap upside the noggin the moment it was first considered. I otherwise don't care about systemd, except for the more-than-one locations I might find an init script hiding on my system. It's fine. But don't make me use journalctl just to tail a god damned file like a normal person.…

> Having to use journalctl instead of reading a plaintext file in /var/log should have resulted in a swift slap upside the noggin the moment it was first considered. I absolutely love the idea of journalctl (without commenting on the execution). As an admin, there was always the chance that $DAEMON_OF_THE_DAY put their logfile in a particularly creative place, thus sending me on some wild goose hunt. Now it's just `j…

Post by bmn__ » Sat, May 02, 2020, 10:35 PM UTC

ppf wrote: post #122

No mention of Devuan, a fork of Debian for the sole purpose of removing systemd (and they're also not a fan of dbus, for reasons that escape me).

Post by LargoLasskhyfv » Sat, May 02, 2020, 11:20 PM UTC

threwawasy1228 wrote: post #136

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #76

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Maybe shouldn't skim so fast? Calculate Linux (the "Russian Distro") was featured.

Is it somehow a faux pas to call them a Russian distribution? Their home page is literally a .ru tld. [0] https://www.calculate-linux.ru/

Post by catblast » Sun, May 03, 2020, 3:31 AM UTC

ori_b wrote: post #107

mappu wrote: post #92

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Runlevels, for one.

Oh. That's a linuxism. BSD has never had them, iirc. I don't think any of the other simpler init systems (eg, runit) did either.