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Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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I really dislike the way snaps create disk partitions. When I run $ df I want to see what I defined during OS installation, not a dozen nasty snap mounts. An application misusing fundamental system features like this feels like a violation of some UNIX principle.

I cannot agree more and I'm actually surprised that I haven't heard this complaint more often/loudly. Perhaps there is something we are missing ?

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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> I hate that Chromium’s snap takes more than 10 seconds to load on cold boot on a freaking SSD, whereas .deb and Flatpak apps load in 1-2 seconds. Can someone verify this? As someone who will eventually upgrade to 20.04, this is concerning.

I can't - snap Chromium takes about 1 second to load for me on Ubuntu 20.04

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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That boat sailed long ago. Windows has a pretty decent linux subsystem now. Even devs that were hardcore linux enthusiasts moved to windows. The benefit of linux is that it doesn't force stuff on you that you can't disable compared to windows. If you take that away, there are very little reasons for any normal user to move.

ehhhh, I've never seen a hardcore Linux developer move to Windows. WSL exists to sunset Windows-based development, not the other way around. Windows Server gets to exist so long as it acts as a funnel into Azure. Someday it will be sold off to Wipro, a la VMS or OS/2.

Windows Server won’t be getting “sold off.” I’m not sure you understand just how entrenched Windows Server is in the Enterprise and just about every Fortune 500 company out there, including huge telecoms and ISPs. MS still makes a ton of money off Server, and most of the companies/Enterprise using Server aren’t even thinking about Azure.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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> I hate that Chromium’s snap takes more than 10 seconds to load on cold boot on a freaking SSD, whereas .deb and Flatpak apps load in 1-2 seconds. Can someone verify this? As someone who will eventually upgrade to 20.04, this is concerning.

It takes about 5 seconds for me off an NVMe SSD. For comparison Firefox (installed with apt) starts in under a second.

Yes it starts in about 3~4 seconds for me. The only reason it doesn't bother me is that I normally use Firefox.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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MITM should be completely illegal. Why does this even need to be stated?

Should you not be able to MITM your own machines?

Only in dev environments. Not on machines used by employees.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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With that Ubuntu has become useless trash joining the ranks of Android and its impossible to disable constant Play Store updates funneling endless unknown changes onto a machine you supposedly own.

I've had no problem disabling automatic Play Store updates on my phone. It's in the top level of the settings.

I'm talking about the play store updating itself. It's proven impossible to entirely disable over here, and when I used adb to forcibly uninstall the play store the device stopped booting a week later requiring a factory reset.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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I guess it's finally time to switch to Arch. This is an absolute deal breaker for me as well, as I use an ubuntu system for live visual performances, and I need to ensure that no unexpected auto-updates take place.

As a long-time Arch user, I can say that the switch is not for the faint of heart. Arch won't do anything automatically, including installing basic things like a window manager or a browser - Arch is more of a "build your own OS" experience. On the flip side, this is incredibly empowering. If something breaks, you can just fix it, since you were the one who put it together in the first place. That's a big jump from U…

Good warning, and I agree on the learning curve. I've been using ubuntu mainly as a convenience, and it's amusing how frequently I refer to the Arch wiki (which is excellent[0]) to diagnose/fix ubuntu-related issues. I've wanted more fine-grained control over my daily system for a long time, and this snap debacle is the final straw for me.

0. https://wiki.archlinux.org/

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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There is. Don’t install Ubuntu. Use Debian.

The above might come across as flip, but I think it's actually spot on. Why would a mission critical or metered-connection-only machine be running the latest Ubuntu desktop anyway? Match the tool to the job.

It usually wouldn’t even be running Debian. More likely CentOS/RHEL/Suse or a Solaris.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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post #227

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The above might come across as flip, but I think it's actually spot on. Why would a mission critical or metered-connection-only machine be running the latest Ubuntu desktop anyway? Match the tool to the job.

It usually wouldn’t even be running Debian. More likely CentOS/RHEL/Suse or a Solaris.

That's the beauty of Linux Distros. We are spoiled for choice.
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