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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by BubRoss »

barkingcat wrote: post #240
BubRoss wrote: post #236

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Seems a little silly to blame english when people bend terminology to muddy the waters on purpose. When 'serverless' means easily using a server and 'we have our own datacenter' means 'we don't have our own data center and rent from someone else' maybe the problem is people trying to stretch the significance of what they are doing. If someone says 'I own my house' and they actually mean 'I rent an apartment', no one…

The difference is the word own. In all the examples given earlier, the words "I have a datacentre" (or the approximate "I have my own datacenter") vs "I own a datacentre" (or the approximate "I own my own datacentre") have very significant differences. In the UK, many people would say "I have a flat in this district" and that would be understood as being a renter, since some UK neighborhoods are just too expensive, a…

This is just bending over backwards to try to justify companies and people playing fast and loose to obscure what they actually have.

If someone says "I have a brownstone in Manhattan" and they actually mean they rent one of seven rooms, it's just a lie.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by jmisavage »

wil421 wrote: post #175
jmisavage wrote: post #65

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In my last job we used Basecamp for project management and then we started doing work for Walmart. They flat out said if you want to use a SaaS tool then they have to sign a liability agreement in case any trade secrets were leaked. Needless to say they said no as did everyone else. Which forced us into self hosting a ton of stuff.

Walmart uses a few big SaaS providers it’s weird they singled out Basecamp and self hosting. I built a couple integrations to Walmart’s SaaS products. We used off the self SaaS products hosted in the clouds too.

This was a few years ago right when Walmart Labs was taking off so their attitude probably changed some.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by rstuart4133 »

kartickv wrote: post #188
kelp wrote: post #144

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When they say "running a datacenter" they almost certainly mean "buying servers to put into rented colocation space". Just about anyone who has significant network connectivity has a footprint in an Equinix datacenter. In the Bay Area you want to be in Equinix SV1 or SV5, at 11, and 9 Great Oaks, San Jose. If you're there, you can order a cross connect to basically any telco you can imagine, and any other large compa…

At what scale does colocation make sense as opposed to a long-term commitment on AWS or other clouds, where you get a discount?

Any scale where you get good utilisation of the metal. You can rent a dedicated 8 core server for $100/mo or so, 1Gbps unlimited usage. If you use it at full throttle it is literally under 1/10'th the price, often under 100'th of the amount you will pay for a cloud host and the thousand little cost addon's.

But the trick is you have to actually use it and need it in real time. An AWS instance costs you nothing if you don't use it, and almost nothing if you let them kill it at their whim.

Zoom's strategy looks pretty optimal to me. Take the 100 fold price reduction on your predicable load, farm the rest out to the lowest bidder.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by SXX »

suyash wrote: post #156
SXX wrote: post #135

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I doubt you can do anything about it, but Oracle Cloud simply refuse to work with any of Russian credit cards. Registration simply fails at the end no matter what card is used and support send you to bank / payment provider and payment provider sent you back to Oracle. I never had such problems with any other hosting company. I'm live between different countries so I registered it anyway, but still...

Please contact support or use the chat button to talk live to someone, this should be easily resolved. https://www.oracle.com/corporate/contact/

As I said in my post I just have access to cards from other countries too so I just registered that way. Though many of my clients are still in Russia and I guess they'll likely to have exactly same issue in case they decide to register account for their business.

OFC I'll try to do it again, but I wouldn't be posting on HN in first place if support would give anything like a useful reply.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by ganstyles »

lucianf wrote: post #237
ganstyles wrote: post #51

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No, it is really trash. It's down there with IBM cloud. I've worked with it (and IBM) extensively, and with AWS/GCP (but not azure too much yet, interestingly). Depending on what you want AWS/GCP/Azure are largely fungible, Oracle and IBM are really lacking just about everything you could want, and I would be hesitant to call them "cloud" except by the barest definition of the word. Also worked with another one, who…

That's really unfounded, unless you're talking about an experience you had years ago when the platform was still in the early stages. The current Gen 2 cloud (OCI) is very much capable. I would strongly suggest you either have a high level look at the products available (start here [1]), peruse the documentation [2], or have a go yourself with a free account [3]. Happy to continue this chat about actual products you…

Last worked with it maybe a year ago. I have a lot of SRE experience so deal with this stuff directly, and I'm giving you my experience and the experiences of my colleagues. It's anecdotal of course, but not unfounded.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by ganstyles »

grogenaut wrote: post #202
ganstyles wrote: post #51

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No, it is really trash. It's down there with IBM cloud. I've worked with it (and IBM) extensively, and with AWS/GCP (but not azure too much yet, interestingly). Depending on what you want AWS/GCP/Azure are largely fungible, Oracle and IBM are really lacking just about everything you could want, and I would be hesitant to call them "cloud" except by the barest definition of the word. Also worked with another one, who…

Charter?

Nope, not familiar with them.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by sb8244 »

enigmo wrote: post #166
sb8244 wrote: post #36

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Oh no, I totally have the same question. I just wanted to make it clear that GCP was in the running since that was in your comment. But yea, I don't get it either. I'd be curious to know why.

free credits. I've heard of deals giving out $50mm+ in credits over five years before... also gives you some insight into AWS/GCP/Azure margins.

Good point. I wonder how deals like this are structured on the accounting backend.
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