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WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by contextfree »

raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

This is kind of cultish. Jobs being successful with a certain approach doesn't mean that it's the only possible successful approach and everyone else should copy it.

Not that you can't make an argument for his approach to disclosure, but it'd be better if not couched in hero-worship.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by ryanwatkins »

modernerd wrote: post #17

A shame that HP are coupling webOS with HP PCs, instead of putting webOS on the Web, where it might better thrive and spread. With webOS on the Web, Pre3 and TouchPad owners could log in at webos.me (or similar) from any WebKit browser and see their apps and data pre-synced; isn't that a better vision for a company that 'believes the Web is the future'? HP's new Enyo SDK already allows developers to build apps for We…

> HP are coupling webOS with HP PCs, instead of putting webOS on the Web

There is no reason to believe they will not also do this.

Use the service architecture to allow Enyo development to expose device specific system services (telephony, etc).

But license (open source?) Enyo for web development for pure web based apps, or even things like PhoneGap.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by raganwald »

contextfree wrote: post #31
raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

This is kind of cultish. Jobs being successful with a certain approach doesn't mean that it's the only possible successful approach and everyone else should copy it. Not that you can't make an argument for his approach to disclosure, but it'd be better if not couched in hero-worship.

Fair enough, however looking at the industry, the correlation between announcing products a year in advance and actually shipping them is low.

I conjecture that if we go out and measure things, we will find that the correlation between announcing products a year in advance and being successful with said products is actually negative.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by [deleted] »

JoelSutherland wrote: post #30
raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

"HP will stop making announcements for stuff it doesn't have. When HP makes announcements, it will be getting ready to ship." - Leo Apotheker, Jan 27 2011 Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12291529

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Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by yardie »

gfodor wrote: post #5

It will be so great if HP gets its groove back. It's really sad to see one of the great American companies flounder for so long. Ever since Carly merged it with Compaq they've been basically stagnant, IMHO, I think WebOS might really set them up for a big power play against Apple over the next few years.

I just like to say that some of HPs offerings are really well done. Just like Apple they can't make a decent computer As a WebOS developer I think most people don't know what they are missing. It's really a beautiful OS (far better than Android, and better in some respects to iOS) I hope it continues to improve. And now that the designer behind it as at Google (Matias Duarte), Android users will be in for a great surprise.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by raganwald »

contextfree wrote: post #31
raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

This is kind of cultish. Jobs being successful with a certain approach doesn't mean that it's the only possible successful approach and everyone else should copy it. Not that you can't make an argument for his approach to disclosure, but it'd be better if not couched in hero-worship.

it'd be better if not couched in hero-worship

I admire what the man has accomplished. That doesn't make me blind to those of his policies that I dislike. For example, I do not develop for iOS at this time, despite owning a collection of said devices, and knowing lots of people who have made excellent coin developing for iOS.

Anyhow, I'd like to admire Leo as well. I have opinions. They are often based on feelings. Those feelings are often backed up by rational thought and are perfectly reasonable, but they are still feelings and opinions.

If you're looking for a dispassionate argument where everything is in the passive voice, I am not the right person for you. I take the same approach to my work. I try to make things I can admire. Or at least, I try to make things that are less then contemptible. It's the same thing.

Anyhow, I don't think that admiring what Steve has accomplished and pointing out his track record is inappropriate when criticizing Leo's choice of announcement in a personal forum like this. It's a personal opinion, which means it's personal.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by jerome_bent »

modernerd wrote: post #17

A shame that HP are coupling webOS with HP PCs, instead of putting webOS on the Web, where it might better thrive and spread. With webOS on the Web, Pre3 and TouchPad owners could log in at webos.me (or similar) from any WebKit browser and see their apps and data pre-synced; isn't that a better vision for a company that 'believes the Web is the future'? HP's new Enyo SDK already allows developers to build apps for We…

I agree. Microsoft could undercut HP at anytime with Windows 8, which is rumored to be a tablet friendly OS.

HP should be aiming for web delivery and even their own web browser.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by micheljansen »

So that's why they were porting that to Windows. I just hope this won't end up killing WebOS. It was great on the Pre, I think it will do great on a tablet, but porting it to a PC might require HP to take WeBOS in a direction that will be worse for the platforms it was originally designed for.
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