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Well isn't the Unix way still plaguing us with legacy craziness? How many bin directories do we need?
That's cargo culting -- a computer at bell labs once ran out of disk space on the system disk (/), people put binaries in a directory on the user disk (/usr), and everyone started to copy it for all eternity.
Plug for Void, the community recently added support[0] for the Pinebook Pro, so it's been my daily driver for a few months now. [0] https://github.com/void-linux/void-mklive/issues/105
Sad Gentoo didn't get more mention. Been using that w/OpenRC since before systemd existed and it's still my solid daily driver.
Life long Gentoo user here. The fact that NixOS other other new fangled package management systems are rarely mentioned in the same context as Gentoo has led me to wonder whether the new kids on the block have done their homework. I realize that Gentoo became a meme at some point, but it also seems that it might have transcended to the level of infrastructure. Thus, you rarely ever heard about it for the same reason…
The Nix thesis[0] explicitly cites Gentoo multiple times; it's very much inspired by, and intended to surpass, Gentoo.
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The latest round of controversy is probably because They're pushing the new 'homed' component, which is supposed to change up how home directories (and user accounts) are managed. It's supposed to enable easier encryption of home directories, but breaks ssh logins. Therefore it's probably only suitable for multi-user systems (which need to protect home directoried from other users) that are also never accessed remote…
Actually AFAIK the main usecase is single user client systems (say a laptop). Homed makes it easier to encrypt the home directory at any time (without the need to reformat with LUKS) and handles stuff like suspend better (can drop encryption keys before going to suspend and then requesting them on resume).
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The argument is not about the init system. systemd’s is probably fine. It’s about an ever expanding take-over of userspace by a single module, which is not the Unix way. And about a high-handed project leader who is paid by Redhat to do it full time.
> by a single module, which is not the Unix way. Kind of ironic when one of the oft touted complaints I recall about Linux vs the BSDs or virtually any historical Unix is how the userspace and kernel are not one integrated distribution.
Sad Gentoo didn't get more mention. Been using that w/OpenRC since before systemd existed and it's still my solid daily driver.
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journalctl is a text adventure fever dream. Do systemd timers use a different logging system?
You can output journald to syslog with one config option[1]. 1. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-jou...
I otherwise don't care about systemd, except for the more-than-one locations I might find an init script hiding on my system. It's fine.
But don't make me use journalctl just to tail a god damned file like a normal person.
Edit: I may have reached that point on friday night where the bottle of port and my grey beard have finally reached "old man yells at cloud" stage. My apologies.
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If someone is able to create something that is half as good as systemd then distros will switch time it. The thing is that systemd solves a lot of problems for distros in a good enough way (frankly, currently in a way that is better than any existing alternative) that they are happy to have systemd deal with those issues while they focus on the stuff the distro makers are interested in.
What is desireable to a distro maintainer is offten not what is desireable to a user or admin. Systemd favors the distro maintainer and cloud application service provider, and maybe the appliance manufacturer. It's the exact opposite of a useful tool empowering the the individual.
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That's cargo culting -- a computer at bell labs once ran out of disk space on the system disk (/), people put binaries in a directory on the user disk (/usr), and everyone started to copy it for all eternity.
Right, and systemd is pretty much the only successful attempt to de-cargo-cult Unix.